O.K. you're hunting buffalo, you take a shot but he doesn't go down. Instead he charges and tosses you into a tree. You end up hanging from a branch upside down. Now a pack of Lions chases to Buff away and is takeing turns jumping up to pull you out of the tree. Where you going to be without your CRF that feeds upside down. Bet you never thought about that one. Oh ya, it better be a Brno/CZ so you've got enough ammo for the whole pride.
Best Dangerous Game Rifle?
- Thread starter bigbore14
- Start date
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
I've had a few of those triggers over the years, and my complaint is mostly due to the fact that I like the look of a curved trigger better than a straight one. On the other side of the coin though, a set trigger is often is a bear to pull unset, but moving through heavy cover in an adrenaline charged search for wounded dangerous game with the trigger set could lead to unintended consequences.
I like the .404 idea, but if you want a big hole at the end of the barrel you might consider a .460 G&A, which is essentially a .458 RUM. That was what I had intended my .375 to be until I was gifted that very nice .375 Smith barrel. I doubt if the .460 G&A has any ballistic advantage over a Lott or a .458 Express, but it might feed better being a bottle neck design.
I like the .404 idea, but if you want a big hole at the end of the barrel you might consider a .460 G&A, which is essentially a .458 RUM. That was what I had intended my .375 to be until I was gifted that very nice .375 Smith barrel. I doubt if the .460 G&A has any ballistic advantage over a Lott or a .458 Express, but it might feed better being a bottle neck design.
Yes, they DO look a bit weird.
On my previous 602 [375H&H] I only ever used the set option at the range and the non-set trigger was adjusted fairly well, so it worked well both ways.
On a side note, I was at the range one day with that 602 and another fellow wanted to try it out. He was an older fellow somewhat familiar with firearms, but I decided it would be best to show him the function of this rifle including the set trigger. I even had him dry fire the set trigger a couple times to show him how light it was. He loaded a round into the chamber, set the trigger as shown and proceded to jam his finger into the trigger guard and of course tripped the set trigger w/o proper control of the rifle. I'm not sure where that bullet went and that pretty much ended his time at playing with my 375.
.
I've got 3 Brno's, one with a set trigger, I find I don't even notice the straight face, I use the set trigger with the peep sight at the range, and it makes for a good *target* rifle, I say target because I almost never fire off bags, usually use shooting sticks, and 375 wouldn't be my first choice in a target rifle.
I like the comment about having enough ammo loaded in the Brno for the whole pride
Can't go wrong with a Brno for a DGR.
I like the comment about having enough ammo loaded in the Brno for the whole pride
Can't go wrong with a Brno for a DGR.
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
On a side note, I was at the range one day with that 602 and another fellow wanted to try it out. He was an older fellow somewhat familiar with firearms, but I decided it would be best to show him the function of this rifle including the set trigger. I even had him dry fire the set trigger a couple times to show him how light it was. He loaded a round into the chamber, set the trigger as shown and proceded to jam his finger into the trigger guard and of course tripped the set trigger w/o proper control of the rifle. I'm not sure where that bullet went and that pretty much ended his time at playing with my 375.
I had a similar experience when a fellow who claimed to be gun savvy wanted to give my Ruger #1 .416 Rigby a try. The load was 102 grs of H-4350 behind a 350 gr X, and this load caused the rifle to jump around with a fair amount of enthusiasm. But the shot was to be made off hand and him being an experienced rifleman I didn't dream he would hurt himself. When his finger hit the trigger I could see daylight between the butt and his shoulder and just as I yelled, "WAIT!" it boomed! He just about dropped the rifle, and there were tears in his eyes. Not only did he get his shoulder pounded, but his knuckles came into sharp contact with the back of the trigger guard and under-lever. The scope should have got him, but he avoided that only because I had a custom quarter rib made so that I could mount the scope forward with the ocular even with the forward edge of the falling block. He now doesn't see the need for anything more than a .308.
I don't think the 404 is rebated. Most cases made from it like the RUM line are though.
As for the comment on needing CRF to shoot upside down at lions
. I took a Weatherby and tuned it upside down and it feeds flawlessly. I just had to see for myself. All my guns feed no matter what angle I hang from. I also heard you can't just drop a shell into a CRF and close the bolt, you have to load from the magazine. Well mine works like a push feed too. So I really don't see a big difference yet as I have never had a failure on any gun while hunting. Yet...
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
The .404 is rebated, and is the parent case although not identical to the RUMs. From the Barnes manual, the .404 measures .5429" at the head and .5449" at the web. The RUM is .534" at the head and .550" at the web.
If thats a rebate then its a rebate. I guess all cases except maybe my 416 Rigby and related cases are rebated if you call it that close. All belted cases are rebated too. I guess I was looking for something more substantial to look at. I stand corrected.
And isn't that the truth!!
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
So with that being said Boomer,
The 10 cents I get back for taxes is still a rebate.
Kinda but not really.
A rebated round still has to be picked up by a round bolt face. Even the difference between the head and body of the .284 Winchester is slight, .473" at the head and .5" at the web.
Well I ended up with a .416 Remington Magnum, in a remington model 700. I topped it with a Leupold VXIII 2x8. Then I added a dlask muzzle break and a limbsaver recoil pad. I am off to the store to pick it up this morning. Then to reload some and head to the range. Really looking forward to trying this thing out. I would have gone to the .375 however I decided against it for ego reasons. And I found a good deal on this gun. Thanks for all of the advice, I think it is a common enough caliber, and a reliable enough action. Cheers guys, you are the best here!
- Location
- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
Enjoy your new rifle. The scope is a good choice, but you should fire a couple of rounds with irons first so that you know how much eye relief you will want to maintain. If you got tagged on your first time out, it could spoil the love affair.
If dangerous African game is on the menu, I still like a big levergun, but I don't think anything could top a good double rifle in a cal. from .470 Nitro up, .500 sounds about right. I wouldn't want set triggers or boltguns, when a Buff. is heading for me, and he's already taken a hit.IMHO...I know first hand what members of the Buff. family can do after being hit hard!!
Ever see a picture of Elmer Keith in Africa, holding a boltgun?? No, it's always a big double gun, usually a Cogswell and Harrison if I remember correctly, 'nuff said!
Ever see a picture of Elmer Keith in Africa, holding a boltgun?? No, it's always a big double gun, usually a Cogswell and Harrison if I remember correctly, 'nuff said!
Last edited:
Spears have killed the most game?
