Buy Canadian AR

All I have to say is that if I can get an AR clone and I have a certain amount to spend I will get that AR clone wether it came from China or Canada or the US. If I had the money to spend Canadian I'd buy Canadian. I go to work everyday but the money still only goes so far. I have children to feed and a family to house. That means my hobby is less than a secondary consideration, therefore I buy what I can afford!

Take a look at my uniform and tell me that you honestly believe I would rather buy Chinese.

I'm shaking my head now just in case you didn't get that from this post.
 
Marlin, we're going around in circles here but the fact is if there was a Canadian AR-15manufacturer that turned out a quality product at a decent price they would sell.

At the moment no such company/complete rifle exists so how do you propose we buy one?

In the mean time I'll look for a quality product at a reasonable price and buy that one, regardless of where it was made.
 
what we need is ATR to whip up 100 lowers, and then buy 100 stag arms complete uppers from walter and make complete "spec" guns.... and then get them out on dealers shelves.

would it be economical enough... maybe, but it for sure would be a quality product all around.
 
Farmer Harv said:
Ok, as you're obviously not willing to actually address any points or questions posed there's no point in me going any further with this. Interesting and educational discussion is one thing, but you just seem to be repeating the same mantra over and over that buying Norinco will turn the Canadian (especially firearms manufacturing) economic landscape into a wasteland.
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what is the point that you are trying to make?
I'm trying to drum up support for our manufacturing here so we can have a steady supply of parts and fire arms in Canada. And how can private company's compete against state run manufactures using unethical policy's as far as labor and environment.
Here something for you to think about, China has all but stopped buying our natural resources and our economy has nearly collapsed. The lumber market has crashed why buy form others when we can get it here in our own country?
The sector I worked in has near shut down going from a boom this time last year to bust this year.
It suck and I think we should try to support Canadian manufacturing get ourselves back on our feet.
 
Westicle said:
what we need is ATR to whip up 100 lowers, and then buy 100 stag arms complete uppers from walter and make complete "spec" guns.... and then get them out on dealers shelves.

would it be economical enough... maybe, but it for sure would be a quality product all around.
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That would be cool but probably more them the $900 the norc are going for so no one would buy them. from what I gather here.
 
NaOH said:
Marlin, we're going around in circles here but the fact is if there was a Canadian AR-15manufacturer that turned out a quality product at a decent price they would sell.

At the moment no such company/complete rifle exists so how do you propose we buy one?

In the mean time I'll look for a quality product at a reasonable price and buy that one, regardless of where it was made.
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yes I agree Troy and I would love to do this I wish Daminco never sold out to Colt and would sell to the public. I think it may be time to do this but from what I see here people will just keep finding cheaper stuff and put you out of business.
 
I agree with petrock; you buy what you can afford with your hobby money as all of us have other things that pull at our income. If I can buy a used Norc for the price of a canadian made lower then yes I'll buy a Norc.
Personally I've been blessed with a colt H-bar, car-15 (both old school cool) and yes I have norc 311. I use them all regularly and have no preference between them. They all are very nice to shoot.
 
Marlink, Starscream Diemaco couldn't keep up with their military contracts. How/why the hell would they deal with us and our tiny little market when they're dealing with militaries that spend millions in their shop each year.

I do recall that they were a crown cronie but I don't know about any clause.
 
Starscream said:
IIRC Diemaco started out as a crown corporation that eventually privatized with the clause that it may never sell to non government entities. Even if Diemaco wanted to, it couldn't.
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Colt Canada does make semi's, they'll make whatever the customer wants. Lots of their uppers and lowers are sold in the US as regular Colts. They also make every single component in house, including barrels, stocks, trigger mechs, etc...

Their has always been an agreement in place that Diemaco couldn't do civilian sales.

I though that this was a buy in Canada thread, but apparently it's a don't buy Chinese thread. When the Canadian market supplies me with a quality product that is comparable to the price of others I'll buy it. I won't buy a lower from ATRS because I don't want a CNC'd billet at almost double the price of a forged one. I might buy a Dlask lower since it's more in line with what I want and the price is comparable to US lowers, but everytime I've tried talking to them in the past communication was poor and kind of soured me on them, not to mention the QC issues others have had.

ETA: And what perceived lack of support are you talking about? It sounds like guys are lined up around the block to buy Rick's lowers, how is that a lack of support? The person buying a $900 Norc isn't in the market for a lower that costs half that. Maybe you should be blaming the dealers for bringing in Chinese and US products? But then I imagine you'd blame them for not supporting Canadian shooters...:rolleyes:

How many Canadian companies do you support with the other goods that you buy? I'd guess not many. Why is that people are against Chinese guns but not chinese clothing, or pots and pans?;)
 
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Leg said:
Maybe you should be blaming the dealers for bringing in Chinese and US products? But then I imagine you'd blame them for not supporting Canadian shooters...:rolleyes:

How many Canadian companies do you support with the other goods that you buy? I'd guess not many. Why is that people are against Chinese guns but not chinese clothing, or pots and pans?;)
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The dealers are only bringing in these items because we want them I can't blame them for filling a market with cheap junk if their are people out there that will buy it. I have and had norcs and I would not buy any more because by the time I got them working to my standards I could have bought domestic.
But don't try to tell me that these product are great they are not even in the same class as the good quality domestic products.

And I try to support as many Canadian company's as possible. I buy as much locally grown produce as I can. I don't like going to walmart because allot of there products are cheap junk. But you have to feed and cloth your family but you don't need to buy cheep knock off guns!
 
Wow, you have had bad luck with Norincos...I have had BETTER performance out of several of my noincos than their domestic equivalents. My Norinco 1911s (five so far) have all been BETTER guns than my old Colts were, for instance.

I guess this is why a lot of pistolsmiths use them for custom builds.

Some Norinco products might be no good - I have heard their Sig line is worse - but their M14s and 1911s are equal to or better than the domestic competition in many instances.
 
misanthropist said:
Wow, you have had bad luck with Norincos...I have had BETTER performance out of several of my noincos than their domestic equivalents. My Norinco 1911s (five so far) have all been BETTER guns than my old Colts were, for instance.

I guess this is why a lot of pistolsmiths use them for custom builds.

Some Norinco products might be no good - I have heard their Sig line is worse - but their M14s and 1911s are equal to or better than the domestic competition in many instances.
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No don't get me wrong but by the time your done it not a cheap norc anymore and allot of the time and money you won't get back out so in the case of a custom build price has probably double or triple.
As far as the M14s all that left of mine is the receiver and trigger group every thing else has been replaced and the original barrel needed to be replace after 1k due to poor chrome.:( so how could I sell it to some one like that so I had it fixed with good quality parts and keep it.
 
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