T97 News.. not good.
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I'm starting to lean towards that way myself .... IF part of securing 301's support from the opposition parties involved some sort of OIC for firearm types that came on the market between C68 and now, that the Libs object to become unregistered. It would neatly explain the RCMP's recent zeal, and the unresponsivevess from Minister Van Loan's office in reigning in the people he is in charge of and force them to follow the policies that they have been following for the past few years in terms of how they determine the classification of firearms.
All speculation, and we will find out soon enough, but one has to admit this would fit the pieces of the puzzle quite well.
All speculation, and we will find out soon enough, but one has to admit this would fit the pieces of the puzzle quite well.
Throttle_monkey1
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the only way there will be an OIC is if we've been sold down the river by the cpc in order to get 301 to pass.
The RCMP cannot force the govt to make an OIC. I just hope semiauto guys haven't been screwed over by other forces than the rcmp.
The RCMP cannot force the govt to make an OIC. I just hope semiauto guys haven't been screwed over by other forces than the rcmp.
Just found an article by John Lott quoting Harper after DAWSON Incident. Read the last paragraph as stated by Harper.
9/19/2006
Canadia's Prime Minister Stephen Harper Vowing to Scrap Gun Registration
OTTAWA—Prime Minister Stephen Harper is accusing the previous Liberal government of not having done enough to prevent tragedies like the Dawson College shooting in Montreal.
"Today's laws did not protect us and we take no pleasure on this side of the House from having warned the previous government repeatedly over the past decade that the gun registry would not prevent this kind of occurrence," Harper said yesterday in the Commons.
The Prime Minister was speaking as Parliament revved up for the fall session against a backdrop of tragic, violent events — notably, more military deaths in Afghanistan and the Dawson College shootings last week that left one young woman and the gunman dead, and 19 injured.
The tragedies are now spilling over into federal politics and the charged, precarious atmosphere of the Commons, where the Prime Minister hopes to steer through some controversial moves on same-### marriage, the environment and gun control.
Harper is saying that Liberal efforts at gun control have failed, so his government will proceed with its plans to wind down the firearms registry.
But the Prime Minister is also going one step further and charging the Liberals with failing to prevent the kind of tragedy that unfolded in Dawson College's corridors last Wednesday, when Kimv**r Gill, 25, opened fire on students before killing himself amid a hail of police fire.
"I take no pleasure from the fact that, I hate to say, `I told you so,' but we all knew that the registry would not prevent the kind of crime we saw at Dawson College," Harper said in an interview with CTV.
Harper, without elaborating, said his government was looking at ways to strengthen the law so that guns would be kept out of the hands of people like Gill, who appeared to be a seriously troubled young man, fixated on violence and death. . . . .
LOOKING AT WAYS TO STRENGTHEN THE LAW If there is not a registry what do you think his plan will be ? Maybe OIC re certain semi's to get 301 is not that far off. Hope I am wrong.
9/19/2006
Canadia's Prime Minister Stephen Harper Vowing to Scrap Gun Registration
OTTAWA—Prime Minister Stephen Harper is accusing the previous Liberal government of not having done enough to prevent tragedies like the Dawson College shooting in Montreal.
"Today's laws did not protect us and we take no pleasure on this side of the House from having warned the previous government repeatedly over the past decade that the gun registry would not prevent this kind of occurrence," Harper said yesterday in the Commons.
The Prime Minister was speaking as Parliament revved up for the fall session against a backdrop of tragic, violent events — notably, more military deaths in Afghanistan and the Dawson College shootings last week that left one young woman and the gunman dead, and 19 injured.
The tragedies are now spilling over into federal politics and the charged, precarious atmosphere of the Commons, where the Prime Minister hopes to steer through some controversial moves on same-### marriage, the environment and gun control.
Harper is saying that Liberal efforts at gun control have failed, so his government will proceed with its plans to wind down the firearms registry.
But the Prime Minister is also going one step further and charging the Liberals with failing to prevent the kind of tragedy that unfolded in Dawson College's corridors last Wednesday, when Kimv**r Gill, 25, opened fire on students before killing himself amid a hail of police fire.
"I take no pleasure from the fact that, I hate to say, `I told you so,' but we all knew that the registry would not prevent the kind of crime we saw at Dawson College," Harper said in an interview with CTV.
Harper, without elaborating, said his government was looking at ways to strengthen the law so that guns would be kept out of the hands of people like Gill, who appeared to be a seriously troubled young man, fixated on violence and death. . . . .
LOOKING AT WAYS TO STRENGTHEN THE LAW If there is not a registry what do you think his plan will be ? Maybe OIC re certain semi's to get 301 is not that far off. Hope I am wrong.
Clobbersauras
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I called the CFC Techs again this morning.
I was told basically nothing. She could only tell me that the Type 97 is under review and that my model is still currently restricted.
I asked her if she could tell me why it's under review. She didn't know.
She did say that the final determination has not been made yet. Which is probably a good thing for us.
I told her that the last time I talked to a Tech I was told that current transfer were suspended because they were classified as 12.2. She said that this is incorrect - that no determination on the classification has been made...
So again - it depends on who you talk to there what type of information you get.
How can they suspend transfers if they haven't made a classification determination? Shouldn't transfers be allowed under the original classification until they actually change it? Is there some precedent for this?
I was told basically nothing. She could only tell me that the Type 97 is under review and that my model is still currently restricted.
I asked her if she could tell me why it's under review. She didn't know.
She did say that the final determination has not been made yet. Which is probably a good thing for us.
I told her that the last time I talked to a Tech I was told that current transfer were suspended because they were classified as 12.2. She said that this is incorrect - that no determination on the classification has been made...
So again - it depends on who you talk to there what type of information you get.
How can they suspend transfers if they haven't made a classification determination? Shouldn't transfers be allowed under the original classification until they actually change it? Is there some precedent for this?
Do you have a link to Marstar thread?
Even if she did know, either thru official internal communication, or the office's rumor mill, it would be confidential and wouldn't be allowed to tell you.
Call centers work with scripts, and are under strict guidelines as to what they can and cannot discuss with customers .... Nothing anyone can do about it but wait until the higher ups decide to release the information to the public.
Call centers work with scripts, and are under strict guidelines as to what they can and cannot discuss with customers .... Nothing anyone can do about it but wait until the higher ups decide to release the information to the public.
Throttle_monkey1
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I'm guessing you're right Colin, but what the hell do I know.
If the receivers are good, couldn't the FCG parts be replaced? The shipping back to Prague must be a lot of $$$ too. I'm assuming that they would have to be rebuilt outside of kanufckistan.
Isn't the only caveat with the receiver? Ie) an f/a receiver will always be an f/a receiver, and cannot be made into a semi, if it was an fa to begin with.
If the receivers are good, couldn't the FCG parts be replaced? The shipping back to Prague must be a lot of $$$ too. I'm assuming that they would have to be rebuilt outside of kanufckistan.
Isn't the only caveat with the receiver? Ie) an f/a receiver will always be an f/a receiver, and cannot be made into a semi, if it was an fa to begin with.
No in the in the governments eye's it still is a C/A no matter how many parts you change the classifaction result is once a C/A always a C/A.I believe Marstar could sell all the parts less the recievier,
But this makes no sense. All AR's can be made to go full auto with a simple change of parts. So how is the VZ any different from an AR then? Also how is a Tavor any different then a T97. Considering all the BS aside I think the RCMP is just trying to make us remeber that they doing something to constitute there recent power grab of the CFC, plus remind us that "they have the power". Just another great example of how government is the problem.
Could be true. What's worse is that they are getting away with it. The VZ's are said to stay CA classification. All the meetings and evidence did not help thus far. The pressure has to go to another level. Most likely judicial. At this point RCMP is up one.
Throttle_monkey1
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no proof, but that's what would have to be done to make mass prohibitions. These guns can't be 12.5, they can't be 12.3 converted auto. They're not 12.6 pistols. That basically leaves 12.2 full auto, which is a very weak argument.
Maybe they will lobby for an OIC to get rid of em? How can they expect to win a court case saying these guns are 12.2?
Maybe they will lobby for an OIC to get rid of em? How can they expect to win a court case saying these guns are 12.2?
Good point, but if Harper did put in and OIC, it would have the effect of making him look like a hypocrite, as he basically promised no further restrictions on any gun.
Ok so here is how I see it....I could be wrong
New VZ from Marstar = too many full auto parts so CFC makes it prohib. LEAVING ALL other CZ-858's NON RESTRICTED and all VZ-58's PREVIOUSLY imported as RESTRICTED.
T-97 = Lazy CFC techs making a determination by a picture and then when they finally get one in there hands they class it as prohib. They may have done this from the start if they had one in hands. You would think Canam should have brought in a few of there version of the rifle BEFORE the big shipment and submitted samples to the RCMP to get classified properly.
Sorry guys I just don't see ANY conspiracy from the RCMP or Conservatives for new OIC's or to ban semi's. In fact ALL I see is the Conservatives trying to fulfill there one and only promise to kill the registry. They never promised anything else. Neutering bill C-301 HAD to be done or it would not have a chance to pass.
New VZ from Marstar = too many full auto parts so CFC makes it prohib. LEAVING ALL other CZ-858's NON RESTRICTED and all VZ-58's PREVIOUSLY imported as RESTRICTED.
T-97 = Lazy CFC techs making a determination by a picture and then when they finally get one in there hands they class it as prohib. They may have done this from the start if they had one in hands. You would think Canam should have brought in a few of there version of the rifle BEFORE the big shipment and submitted samples to the RCMP to get classified properly.
Sorry guys I just don't see ANY conspiracy from the RCMP or Conservatives for new OIC's or to ban semi's. In fact ALL I see is the Conservatives trying to fulfill there one and only promise to kill the registry. They never promised anything else. Neutering bill C-301 HAD to be done or it would not have a chance to pass.
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