URGENT, sending handgun by mail, advice need
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He's in Ontario.Better to call and get the temporary ATT. Also it must be sent regular or expedited parcel. Xpresspost only within your own province.
They don't want guns transported on planes.
If the CFO issues a temp. ATT to get to to the post office and the gun is packaged up the way most people have said to package it, would you not be in violation of transport regs. ?
The gun is in a cardboard box with no trigger lock, hardly the way one would normally transport a restricted.
Sounds like a catch 22 situation.
Look folks, you can nitpick and try to twist the rules if you want, but any time you, personally, are transporting a restricted firearm, you need an ATT from your home to the destination. A gun doesn't magically become not a gun just because its wrapped up in a box, that's just stupid.
In the case of selling a firearm and shipping by mail the destination for the seller is the post office. The post office is a licensed carrier, who then transports it between post offices without the need for an ATT. When the buyer, who is now the registered owner, picks up the restricted firearm, they to need an ATT which is their responsibility to acquire, from their post office to their home.
If you are possesion of a firearm outside your residence without an appropriate ATT and registration you are in contravention of the law.
Canada Post is the law when it comes to the mail and if you don't follow their regulations when shipping you are breaking the law. Also, as All Wheel Drive pointed out, the rules for transport of a restricted firearm still hold so it needs to be trigger locked and in a secure locked case. I believe a securely wrapped box is considered a "locked case". Yes, I too have received a gun through the mail from a dealer that wasn't trigger locked, actually two of them, and no I don't know who would be held responsible in that case, if anyone would be.
If you take your pistol to the gun show, you need an ATT; if you take your pistol to a gunsmith, you need an ATT; if you take your pistol to the US, you need an ATT; if you take your pistol over to your friends for cleaning, you need an ATT.
One other thing, anything shipped by air these days is subject to random scanning, and if they spotted a firearm in the package I suspect they would sieze it and cause grief.
In the case of selling a firearm and shipping by mail the destination for the seller is the post office. The post office is a licensed carrier, who then transports it between post offices without the need for an ATT. When the buyer, who is now the registered owner, picks up the restricted firearm, they to need an ATT which is their responsibility to acquire, from their post office to their home.
If you are possesion of a firearm outside your residence without an appropriate ATT and registration you are in contravention of the law.
Canada Post is the law when it comes to the mail and if you don't follow their regulations when shipping you are breaking the law. Also, as All Wheel Drive pointed out, the rules for transport of a restricted firearm still hold so it needs to be trigger locked and in a secure locked case. I believe a securely wrapped box is considered a "locked case". Yes, I too have received a gun through the mail from a dealer that wasn't trigger locked, actually two of them, and no I don't know who would be held responsible in that case, if anyone would be.
If you take your pistol to the gun show, you need an ATT; if you take your pistol to a gunsmith, you need an ATT; if you take your pistol to the US, you need an ATT; if you take your pistol over to your friends for cleaning, you need an ATT.
One other thing, anything shipped by air these days is subject to random scanning, and if they spotted a firearm in the package I suspect they would sieze it and cause grief.
Very grey area. But it's better than carrying it in your locked container and pulling it out to wrap up at the post office.
By getting the Temp. ATT, you have a least shown that you went throught the motions of doing all the right things. There are probably thousands of people who send their restricted firearms through the mail without obtaining one and they didn't have any problems but as far as I know, and have been told by the CFC, you need to have a temp. ATT to take it to the Post Office. As well the temp. ATT is only generally good for one day so you better know which day you want to take it.
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You need an ATT to ship a restricted to a gunsmith or a buyer but thats all. No need to ask for a separate ATT to go to the post office. You guys, worry waaayyyy too much. I am very sure of this. Also i am very sure no cop will ever search my car because i am an honest citizen and i follow the law. Cops generally don't search cars after a simple speeding ticket or a deffective tail light.
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I just sold a Revolver to a guy in BC.
I called my CFO and they told me I have to get an TATT to ship a firearm. I told them I was shipping the firearm to its new owner and asked about that as well. They told me the TATT will will cover me to take it to the PO & the new owner when the have to go to the PO to pick it up and take it home. They also told me the TATT will have no fixed time schedual on it only a drop off day, the day I take it to the PO to mail it.
Once the new owner has it home they then need a ATT to transport it to the range, gunsmith, etc. All the normal rules apply.
I personally will follow what I was told by the CFO in my area when I mail the firearm on Monday.
I called my CFO and they told me I have to get an TATT to ship a firearm. I told them I was shipping the firearm to its new owner and asked about that as well. They told me the TATT will will cover me to take it to the PO & the new owner when the have to go to the PO to pick it up and take it home. They also told me the TATT will have no fixed time schedual on it only a drop off day, the day I take it to the PO to mail it.
Once the new owner has it home they then need a ATT to transport it to the range, gunsmith, etc. All the normal rules apply.
I personally will follow what I was told by the CFO in my area when I mail the firearm on Monday.
I've requested TATTs before to take my gun to the post office to ship it out, and they sent out a fax right away. Last week I requested a TATT for the same reason and I was just given an authorization number. The Ontario CFO said just to have that number with me and things will be fine. Is this something new?
I was referring to your claim that an ATT was paperwork backing up a claim that you mailed a gun. I also suggested that a PO receipt would show you actually set foot in the post office that day. Whether after all that you still actually mailed the gun would be up to a judge.
I wonder if an "excessive worry-wort" box on the RPAL application would be an asset or detriment as far as the CFC is concerned? What do you think, jody_v?
I was referring to your claim that an ATT was paperwork backing up a claim that you mailed a gun. I also suggested that a PO receipt would show you actually set foot in the post office that day. Whether after all that you still actually mailed the gun would be up to a judge.
I wonder if an "excessive worry-wort" box on the RPAL application would be an asset or detriment as far as the CFC is concerned? What do you think, jody_v?
The amazing thing is that it seems I'm not alone in my statement that it's necessary to get a temp. ATT in order to take my restricted firearm to the post office (or anywhere else that is not stated on my other ATT). I have a number of restricted firearms and really don't want to risk losing my ability to own them, due to the fact I didn't feel like following the rules on transporting them. Perhaps you might have a more casual attitude in NWT towards issues like this, but I for one don't really have a problem with spending the five minutes to get the ATT and know I doing things the way they are susposed to be done.
My experience with mailing a restricted firearm was sending it out for repair to Freedom Ventures so no transfer was in place. It was last year but I believe it was either the guys from there or the guys down a the range/gunshop I'm a member at, told me that I needed the temp. ATT. to take it the PO.
We can all probably come up with rules that the CFC has that don't make sense, and this might be a good example of one. I personally do not understand the one where I purchase a restricted firearm from the range/gunshop I shoot at, and have to get a temp. ATT for the day I plan to take it home for the first time. Especially in light of the fact I have a blanket ATT that allows me take any one of my other firearms to any range in the province any day of the year. But if that's the rule, and I don't want to have any problems with my ability to own restricted firearms, then that's what I am going to follow.
Hopefully you haven't read too far past your own first post as you pretty much had the right idea in the first place. Looking for peace of mind in anything having to do with the subject of firearms in this country at least will only lead to confusion and dissapointment. Use common sense and you will be fine.
By the way, any advice you get from someone here who has no trader rating very likely has no idea how to ship firearms. Hopefully they will do as I did and sit back and listen to those with more experience until they understand how things work in the real world.
Mike
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Once again, I'll try different english this time, I was referring to your comment about needing a paper trail to prove you went to the post office. I said nothing about the need or lack thereof of ATT's to get to or from the post office to satisfy legal requirements.
Just to set the record straight so you can sleep at night, I get ATT's to go to the post office. I don't get one to go from the post office home because all packages get delivered to my door.
As to your comment about having a "number of restricteds" well, I might just have a few myself.
So, care to answer my question about excessive worry-wortitis?
Once again, I'll try different english this time, I was referring to your comment about needing a paper trail to prove you went to the post office. I said nothing about the need or lack thereof of ATT's to get to or from the post office to satisfy legal requirements.
Just to set the record straight so you can sleep at night, I get ATT's to go to the post office. I don't get one to go from the post office home because all packages get delivered to my door.
As to your comment about having a "number of restricteds" well, I might just have a few myself.
So, care to answer my question about excessive worry-wortitis?
OK just to end all of this.........let's say my firearm ends up somewhere it's not supposed to be and the police ask me how it got there. I tell them I took it down to the PO and they ask me if I have an ATT to transport it there. I say yes. Sure call me a worrywort but I generally do things by the book so I don't have any problems later on.
As to needing an ATT to bring it home from the PO. I never said that. I had my pistol returned to me in my mailbox just like you.
Lastly I have to say that although I'm new to this website, it doesn't mean I'm new to owning firearms. I only joined on the recommendation of a friend I shoot with who is a member. I thought it might be fun to join in with a larger community of firearms owners to chat about different things but it seems that I've only recieved criicism for offering a little advice on something that I have already experienced. Sorry for trying to be helpful.
For F*ck sakes. ITS A PIECE OF PAPER! Get over it and move along with life. Why so many on this forum find the need to worry about stupid ignorant money wasting sh*t is beyond me. Live your life, mail your guns and carry on.
TDC
