Type 97 Classification Issues - PART TWO
- Thread starter Clobbersauras
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Thats fine if it get this baby in my hands I could live with them not admiting fault.Then we can move on to the next battle and hope to make ground there.I have read a lot about letters being written and wrote a few myself. Even if we do get them soon I hope it will not stop we have made others aware that this can happen and work to stop it from ever happening again.
Well Deckard we would have to purge the RCMP and the crown of its social engineers first. This is gonna be a long road, thankfully there are still some there who value personal freedom and democratic process, despite their leaders will.
On Easter, I'm extending an olive branch. A few misteps or even calculated measures doesn't mean it has to be that way forever. But I agree that they have the power to help us move on, or entrench our current sentiments forever.
Throttle_monkey1
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
So supra, you still have me confused from your "non-restricted" thing. They are classed as non-resi now? We won this battle?
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NO, this "battle" is still ongoing!!! I don't have my non-restricted T97 YET!!!
Cheers
Jay
No my non rescomment is in referance to the now pulled FRT#. You will know its over when you and I are Varmit hunting with our new T97s.
There has been no indication from either the RCMP or CanAm that this has been resolved. Keep writing your MP etc. When this is over you will know.
cobra_on_speed
Regular
I was just confused by your response to my question. One can hope, but i think from this point this issue has a higher chance of going to court then just blowing over.
I am posting the following not because I was asked a question or two,
but because I am very sorry to see (in this thread and others)
the effects of on-purpose misinformation
(from within the ranks of the gun community),
and because I am sorry to see
how many of you fell for the diversion created by the antis.
These facts lead to many of us to lose sight of the big picture
and focus on the wrong issue because they were not told the truth.
I am sorry to see people like Throttle Monkey, Suprathepig, Clobbersauras
(edit to add: and many many others)
wasting precious energy beating a dead horse.
First, it is never easy (for me at least) to post in threads like this,
where idiots say things like “any semi can be converted to full,
this is how you do it, .... nyah, nyah, nyah"
and other stupid things.
Don’t forget, antis are here and they eat this sh!t up,
and do not be surprised to read this kind of FA-crap references
in the media with CGN quotes.
For this purpose, in these times, in this thread and others like it,
regardless of the fact that the attention whores in this thread
want to appear smart or knowledgeable, NONE of the semis
on the market can be converted to anything. Do you understand?
All guns in Canada are for hunting or for target practice.
NONE can be converted.
Or are you so hopelessly stupid and you don`t fukken understand
that if you beat that drum, it will fire back??
About the issue of convertibility I was asked about:
There is a difference between some things said in the thread.
Clobbersauras sez easy converted. I don`t know WTF that is.
Other people say convertible.
About the meaning and the difference between convertible and converted
if you do not see the difference,
then the best is to go and consult a dictionary,
unless some text of law has a precise
and different definition of any of the two
in the context and for the purpose of interpretation of that law only.
In the context of CCC and Firearms Act, I'm not aware of any
reference to convertible.
However, converted (regarding firearms)
is referred to in quite a few places in the Canadian law.
Generally speaking, a gun converted from a FA to SA is a prohib.
From my limited experience related to the 97's I handled in Canada,
I do not see a way of easily converting it
to fire in a FA mode (selective or permanent). Period.
And I am not going to discuss what was said before by suprathepig
about what happens (legally) in case
IF somebody can get a hold of a military trigger assembly
or any other IFs
(If the old woman was hanged upside down, she would be a piggybank…
but we don't hang her anyway, because it's illegal).
However, if somebody is willing to take this specific issue to the court,
he should remember a thing that may help him a lot in arguing this case:
a trigger assembly with FA capability (ready or homemade)
is already prohibited in Canada (CCC)
as being parts for use exclusively in FA guns.
("so, consequently, Your Honor, WTF is the argument about?
Bringing the gun to a prohib status
by adding something that is already prohib?"
Feed that to a skilled lawyer and he will know what to do with it).
But it's time for you guys to realize the T97 thing is dead in the water.
The things that killed it are uncalled-for attention
and un-necessary excessive public exposure
(anything more than a description, exploded pictures, range reports),
namely (in this precise order):
- stupid marathon-type “would you bring” threads,
- ridiculous and forced popularization of the gun,
(I still can`t believe the fukken leprechaun started to speak French
in the hope that he can bring more votes to his stupid and completely useless poll),
- excessive military pics, youtube vids,
- excessive references to FA,
- proselytism-like advertisement,
and many other ones I will not discuss here.
but because I am very sorry to see (in this thread and others)
the effects of on-purpose misinformation
(from within the ranks of the gun community),
and because I am sorry to see
how many of you fell for the diversion created by the antis.
These facts lead to many of us to lose sight of the big picture
and focus on the wrong issue because they were not told the truth.
I am sorry to see people like Throttle Monkey, Suprathepig, Clobbersauras
(edit to add: and many many others)
wasting precious energy beating a dead horse.
First, it is never easy (for me at least) to post in threads like this,
where idiots say things like “any semi can be converted to full,
this is how you do it, .... nyah, nyah, nyah"
and other stupid things.
Don’t forget, antis are here and they eat this sh!t up,
and do not be surprised to read this kind of FA-crap references
in the media with CGN quotes.
For this purpose, in these times, in this thread and others like it,
regardless of the fact that the attention whores in this thread
want to appear smart or knowledgeable, NONE of the semis
on the market can be converted to anything. Do you understand?
All guns in Canada are for hunting or for target practice.
NONE can be converted.
Or are you so hopelessly stupid and you don`t fukken understand
that if you beat that drum, it will fire back??
About the issue of convertibility I was asked about:
There is a difference between some things said in the thread.
Clobbersauras sez easy converted. I don`t know WTF that is.
Other people say convertible.
About the meaning and the difference between convertible and converted
if you do not see the difference,
then the best is to go and consult a dictionary,
unless some text of law has a precise
and different definition of any of the two
in the context and for the purpose of interpretation of that law only.
In the context of CCC and Firearms Act, I'm not aware of any
reference to convertible.
However, converted (regarding firearms)
is referred to in quite a few places in the Canadian law.
Generally speaking, a gun converted from a FA to SA is a prohib.
From my limited experience related to the 97's I handled in Canada,
I do not see a way of easily converting it
to fire in a FA mode (selective or permanent). Period.
And I am not going to discuss what was said before by suprathepig
about what happens (legally) in case
IF somebody can get a hold of a military trigger assembly
or any other IFs
(If the old woman was hanged upside down, she would be a piggybank…
but we don't hang her anyway, because it's illegal).
However, if somebody is willing to take this specific issue to the court,
he should remember a thing that may help him a lot in arguing this case:
a trigger assembly with FA capability (ready or homemade)
is already prohibited in Canada (CCC)
as being parts for use exclusively in FA guns.
("so, consequently, Your Honor, WTF is the argument about?
Bringing the gun to a prohib status
by adding something that is already prohib?"
Feed that to a skilled lawyer and he will know what to do with it).
But it's time for you guys to realize the T97 thing is dead in the water.
The things that killed it are uncalled-for attention
and un-necessary excessive public exposure
(anything more than a description, exploded pictures, range reports),
namely (in this precise order):
- stupid marathon-type “would you bring” threads,
- ridiculous and forced popularization of the gun,
(I still can`t believe the fukken leprechaun started to speak French
in the hope that he can bring more votes to his stupid and completely useless poll),
- excessive military pics, youtube vids,
- excessive references to FA,
- proselytism-like advertisement,
and many other ones I will not discuss here.
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The less-known story of the 97:
After 2 years of un-necessary and stupidly beating the drum
about the 97 wherever and however you could,
there was only normal that the antis tried to find a way of banning it.
RCMP was waiting for this gun rubbing their hands
in excitement and anticipation.
CBSA did not send anything (for test and assessment)
by their own initiative.
CBSA act like a**holes a lot of times, but this time
they were ordered even BEFORE the shipment arrived
to stop the guns and send a sample to RCMP.
After tests, assessments, taking pics, measurements, etc.,
RCMP decided it’s a CA
(and it’s not necessarily related to the receiver)
- edit to add: not only the receiver.
That was more than 2 months ago.
Allegedly, the inspection of the gun was very quick and simple,
but what lasted much longer was finding
a (more or less) politically acceptable solution
for the guns already in the country.
Their findings and results from assessing the T97
are actually more than just that.
There are actually 4 (four) issues found, but however,
(at least how it was standing about a month ago)
they put on the table only one (the CA issue),
keeping the other three in their pocket for this time.
If (and when) they will lose that particular one by a court decision,
then, they will put another one on the table (one at a time),
so they have another reason to deem it prohib.
I think you get the picture.
The gun community did not do its homework this time.
The losers and the whoring component of the human nature
made too much noise around this gun (despite warnings),
attracting un-wanted attention.
Similarly, the greed and the rush to bring that gun before anybody else
generated blindness towards important issues, like
is the gun importable or not? (DUUUH!!!)
regardless of what the RCMP said about the sample,
being a known fact that they change their mind like women.
Deckard always said that the 97 pisses the libs (or the fudds, or the antis).
Well, it pissed them off allright, there is no doubt about it.
These events proved it.
Despite repeated warnings,
you chose to sh!t your bed. Now sleep in it. DUH!!!
I`m not aware about any FA tests next week or the week after or any other time.
I am curious were that rumor is coming from
(I can guess it's probably from the same source that keeps saying
"one more week and we'll know", "next week",
"by the end of next week").
As they stand right now, they do not need any additional FA tests,
or urine tests, or ANY kind of tests...
I am also curious to know how many times in the past
the RCMP reversed any of its decisions or making them more lax.
You are waiting for a bus that doesn`t come (because there is no bus)
but you are waiting and hoping anyway (because it feels good to b!tch
and because you lack excitement
and because you are too lazy to do anything else).
There is no Type 97. It never had a chance.
I said it 2 years ago and more than once
(oh, and before I forget, Deckard, there was no inside track,
I said what I said in an open forum,
for everyone to see, do you remember that?
or were you too caught in pushing your whoring agenda
and the "slam Lever's" campaign???)
But you guys didn’t listen to me, you chose to listened to certain cheerleaders.
Go and ask them for directions now.
(Yes, Deckard, you blew it again!!!).
After 2 years of un-necessary and stupidly beating the drum
about the 97 wherever and however you could,
there was only normal that the antis tried to find a way of banning it.
RCMP was waiting for this gun rubbing their hands
in excitement and anticipation.
CBSA did not send anything (for test and assessment)
by their own initiative.
CBSA act like a**holes a lot of times, but this time
they were ordered even BEFORE the shipment arrived
to stop the guns and send a sample to RCMP.
After tests, assessments, taking pics, measurements, etc.,
RCMP decided it’s a CA
(and it’s not necessarily related to the receiver)
- edit to add: not only the receiver.
That was more than 2 months ago.
Allegedly, the inspection of the gun was very quick and simple,
but what lasted much longer was finding
a (more or less) politically acceptable solution
for the guns already in the country.
Their findings and results from assessing the T97
are actually more than just that.
There are actually 4 (four) issues found, but however,
(at least how it was standing about a month ago)
they put on the table only one (the CA issue),
keeping the other three in their pocket for this time.
If (and when) they will lose that particular one by a court decision,
then, they will put another one on the table (one at a time),
so they have another reason to deem it prohib.
I think you get the picture.
The gun community did not do its homework this time.
The losers and the whoring component of the human nature
made too much noise around this gun (despite warnings),
attracting un-wanted attention.
Similarly, the greed and the rush to bring that gun before anybody else
generated blindness towards important issues, like
is the gun importable or not? (DUUUH!!!)
regardless of what the RCMP said about the sample,
being a known fact that they change their mind like women.
Deckard always said that the 97 pisses the libs (or the fudds, or the antis).
Well, it pissed them off allright, there is no doubt about it.
These events proved it.
Despite repeated warnings,
you chose to sh!t your bed. Now sleep in it. DUH!!!
I`m not aware about any FA tests next week or the week after or any other time.
I am curious were that rumor is coming from
(I can guess it's probably from the same source that keeps saying
"one more week and we'll know", "next week",
"by the end of next week").
As they stand right now, they do not need any additional FA tests,
or urine tests, or ANY kind of tests...
I am also curious to know how many times in the past
the RCMP reversed any of its decisions or making them more lax.
You are waiting for a bus that doesn`t come (because there is no bus)
but you are waiting and hoping anyway (because it feels good to b!tch
and because you lack excitement
and because you are too lazy to do anything else).
There is no Type 97. It never had a chance.
I said it 2 years ago and more than once
(oh, and before I forget, Deckard, there was no inside track,
I said what I said in an open forum,
for everyone to see, do you remember that?
or were you too caught in pushing your whoring agenda
and the "slam Lever's" campaign???)
But you guys didn’t listen to me, you chose to listened to certain cheerleaders.
Go and ask them for directions now.
(Yes, Deckard, you blew it again!!!).
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About the media exposure:
If we get media attention, and if they will run a story on this,
we will look like idiots who ask the gov
to allow the existing laws to be broken or disregarded.
Before media runs a story, they usually have to contact both parties
(in this case it is us and RCMP).
RCMP did their homework this time
but the gun community (meaning dealers, importers) did not do so.
The RCMP are eagerly waiting for the media
(or for the PMO, or for Van Loan, or for whoever else may ask)
with a polite smile on their face and their homework in their hands:
in one hand their decision, report, pics, measurements etc.,
and in the other hand the CCC that sez that such a gun is a no-no.
By contrast, the gun community did not do its homework.
The 97 banning also serves the antis very very well,
because it, together with false rumors (launched by them)
about re-classifications of M14, VZ`s, etc.,
diverts the attention of the gun owners
from what is MOST IMPORTANT these days:
- screaming our lungs out on the subject of C-301, S-5
and for the un-conditional scrapping of the long gun registry,
- fierce letters up to the point of political threatening to the PMO, CPC,
regarding the long gun registry,
- letters to MP’s, to media regarding the long gun registry.
- give all the support (including the donations) to Mr. Bernardo directly,
skipping the old channels.
Focus on what is important now.
We were never closer to the chance of scrapping the registry.
(And similarly, we were never closer to be fcuked about it).
Also, IMO, CGN was never so full of apathy in crucial moments, like it is now.
As I said, the RCMP has thrown you a bone
(the real banning of the 97, the rumor of M14, M305, mini 14, etc.)
hopping you will get tired after you barked so long at the wrong tree
and you won't push enough your willingness to scrap the registry.
It is an old tactic, and it is very sad you fell for it.
T97 is dead. D E A D.
Snap out of it. Focus on what is more important now.
If we get media attention, and if they will run a story on this,
we will look like idiots who ask the gov
to allow the existing laws to be broken or disregarded.
Before media runs a story, they usually have to contact both parties
(in this case it is us and RCMP).
RCMP did their homework this time
but the gun community (meaning dealers, importers) did not do so.
The RCMP are eagerly waiting for the media
(or for the PMO, or for Van Loan, or for whoever else may ask)
with a polite smile on their face and their homework in their hands:
in one hand their decision, report, pics, measurements etc.,
and in the other hand the CCC that sez that such a gun is a no-no.
By contrast, the gun community did not do its homework.
The 97 banning also serves the antis very very well,
because it, together with false rumors (launched by them)
about re-classifications of M14, VZ`s, etc.,
diverts the attention of the gun owners
from what is MOST IMPORTANT these days:
- screaming our lungs out on the subject of C-301, S-5
and for the un-conditional scrapping of the long gun registry,
- fierce letters up to the point of political threatening to the PMO, CPC,
regarding the long gun registry,
- letters to MP’s, to media regarding the long gun registry.
- give all the support (including the donations) to Mr. Bernardo directly,
skipping the old channels.
Focus on what is important now.
We were never closer to the chance of scrapping the registry.
(And similarly, we were never closer to be fcuked about it).
Also, IMO, CGN was never so full of apathy in crucial moments, like it is now.
As I said, the RCMP has thrown you a bone
(the real banning of the 97, the rumor of M14, M305, mini 14, etc.)
hopping you will get tired after you barked so long at the wrong tree
and you won't push enough your willingness to scrap the registry.
It is an old tactic, and it is very sad you fell for it.
T97 is dead. D E A D.
Snap out of it. Focus on what is more important now.
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Throttle_monkey1
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
so first you say guns in Canada are for hunting and sporting use and cannot be converted. Then you go on to say the type 97 has four things wrong with it. Well what are they? How has the RCMP done their homework?
Either this is a semi like all others or it's not. What sets it apart ?
Either this is a semi like all others or it's not. What sets it apart ?
Meaning from now on,
stop beating the drum with the FA, because look what can happen.
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