How does a CZ858 compare to an AK47?

[DaveGP]

The reason most people here are saying that CZ is a better rifle overall is because they own one, and cant own an AK.

CZ is a decent rifle compared to a lot of things, but next to a high quality AK (Valmet.. Galil.. etc) its a piece of JUNK.

AK's have a reputation for having poor accuracy. This reputation comes from people shooting 50 year old beat up, rusted to s**t AK's manufactured in Africa from salvaged tractor parts. New, high quality AK will shoot more accurately than a new CZ 10 times out of 10. Dont believe me? If you're in GTA, i will take a "Pepsi Challange" , my Valmet against your CZ anytime. Dont forget to bring some money to bet.

So to answer the original question,
1) Accuracy - AK
2) Reliability - AK (never heard of an AK malfunction that was not caused by bad ammo or complete lack of maintenance.. for 50 years)
3) Maintenance - AK (requires less of it, and is easier to do when needed)
4) Scope mounting - Tie. Both can accomodate a scope.

90% of your post is pure bull####!
The Vz will outshoot almost any AK, due to tighter tolerances and the milled receiver.
The Vz will be incredibly reliable with the trigger assembly 'unmodified' as they came from the factory.
The Vz is very easy to maintain - no harder than an AK.

 

[ilovepotatos]

And to reaffirm the VZ even further, I believe there are plenty of Canadians in the middle east who prefer them over the AK for 7.62x39mm as well.

Talk about GTA all you want, but what gets chosen for field work must take top priority.

 

[zZ_denis]

90% of your post is pure bulls**t!
The Vz will outshoot almost any AK, due to tighter tolerances and the milled receiver.
The Vz will be incredibly reliable with the trigger assembly 'unmodified' as they came from the factory.
The Vz is very easy to maintain - no harder than an AK.

100% of YOUR post is bull####!

1) Original AK-47, as well as many newer variants have milled receivers. Same goes for the tolerances - many AK variants have tolerances much tighter than your typical 50 year old Afghani AK.

2) I never said VZ's were not reliable. I just said that AK's were more reliable, comparing rifles in the same condition.

3) Again, wrong. I have both rifles, and the AK is easier to disassemble, re-assemble , and has less parts.

 

[obiwanbonjovi]

Is it possible to sand down the so called wood on the VZ and refinish it?

Sure. You can sand it with 600 grit and clear it if you just want to nicen it up. If you want it painted you will need to sand it good with some 240 or so and apply several coats of a good primer surfacer to fill in the varying textures of the stock, then sand with 600 and paint.

 

[DaveGP]

100% of YOUR post is bulls**t!

1) Original AK-47, as well as many newer variants have milled receivers. Same goes for the tolerances - many AK variants have tolerances much tighter than your typical 50 year old Afghani AK.

2) I never said VZ's were not reliable. I just said that AK's were more reliable, comparing rifles in the same condition.

3) Again, wrong. I have both rifles, and the AK is easier to disassemble, re-assemble , and has less parts.

And here we go again...
A 'typical' AK is NOT more accurate than a 'typical' Vz.58 - the vast majority of the AK family are stamped, and a Valmet or Galil are a long way from a typical AK.
You might want to clue everyone know how the reliability is inferior on the Vz, eh?
It takes maybe a half-second longer to field strip a Vz.....unless one has the ability of the village idiot...

 

[DIRTYCLEAN]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLZGMimid8Y

 

[zZ_denis]

A 'typical' AK is NOT more accurate than a 'typical' Vz.58 - the vast majority of the AK family are stamped, and a Valmet or Galil are a long way from a typical AK.

Original AK-47's had milled receivers, AKM's had stampted receivers. AKM is a variant of AK-47, just like Valmets or Galils. Thread starter asked about AK-47, not AKM. You started talking about AKM's instead, so i dont see why i cant talk about Valmets.
You have absolutely zero data to prove that the AK-47 is less accurate than VZ58. "I heard it" is not proof.

You might want to clue everyone know how the reliability is inferior on the Vz, eh?

Type in "The most reliable rifle in the world" in google and see what comes up. Find a single mention of VZ58 in the results. Good luck.
VZ58 was never widely used in any major conflicts in the world. You could almost consider it a "Prototype" rifle compared to the AK. AK was used in almost every single war that took place since it was invented, and thats where it got it's reputation for reliability from.

The fact that your new, perfectly maintained VZ58 doesnt jam does not make it more reliable than AK.

It takes maybe a half-second longer to field strip a Vz.....unless one has the ability of the village idiot...

And your point is? AK is still faster and easier to maintain. Thats what the original poster asked.

 

[nikoinwinnipeg]

Type in "The most reliable rifle in the world" in google and see what comes up. Find a single mention of VZ58 in the results. Good luck.
VZ58 was never widely used in any major conflicts in the world. You could almost consider it a "Prototype" rifle compared to the AK. AK was used in almost every single war that took place since it was invented, and thats where it got it's reputation for reliability from.

here are just some of the countrys currently still useing the vz 58 in their arsenal
Afganistan
Angola
Cuba
Czech Republic: Standard service rifle Czechoslovakia
Cyprus (Greece)
Dominican Republic
Ethiopia
Guinea
India
Indonesia
Iraq
Lebanon
Libya
Slovakia
Sudan
Vietname (some speculation during the vietname war)

and lets not forget the millions of insergents out there.

the vz 58/cz 858 have a name you just choose not to see it, the rilfe has been in distribution since the late 50's you ever wonder why the good old american boys were never safe behnd those trees in vietname

cuse of the Vz and the Ak and that good old 7.62x39

 

[zZ_denis]

here are just some of the countrys currently still useing the vz 58 in their arsenal
Afganistan
Angola
Cuba
Czech Republic: Standard service rifle Czechoslovakia
Cyprus (Greece)
Dominican Republic
Ethiopia
Guinea
India
Indonesia
Iraq
Lebanon
Libya
Slovakia
Sudan
Vietname (some speculation during the vietname war)

and lets not forget the millions of insergents out there.

the vz 58/cz 858 have a name you just choose not to see it, the rilfe has been in distribution since the late 50's you ever wonder why the good old american boys were never safe behnd those trees in vietname

cuse of the Vz and the Ak and that good old 7.62x39

Note the word "Widely" in my post.

 

[Throttle_monkey1]

zz-denis, it's apparent you like the ak. Nothing wrong with that, but it is not a better rifle than the vz. The vs is lighter, better accuracy, same reliability, same ease of maintenance, can be fed by stripper clips, and has bolt hold open. The mags are inferior to the AK mags.

The Americans down at arfcom are loving their vzs and they can have aks too.

 

[H Wally]

Woooo! Internet pissing contest!

Never handled an ak, but I'm going to assume the larger mass of the piston and bolt assy moving around would make shooting tight fast groups would be a little more difficult, but not anything unmanageable.

Since this seems to be a very theoretical thread, I'm going to edge out further on a limb and suggest that when the end o' the world comes... or at least a version that involves us still existing... ak's will be easier to get parts for

That won't be a problem though, because nuclear radiation will have given me super powers.

And tavors.

 

[owlowl]

AK what? Which one, made by who and when? For what purpose?

For recreation in canada its hard to beat price/fun ration of non restricted cz with surplus 7.62mm

But, for the really... complicated... situation I'll be taking AK-108 chambering 5.56mm NATO and I'll have grouping twice as tight your CZ on full auto just because 108 has counter balanced gas system. Too bad no one in here can possibly get one

 

[gunplumberr]

AK's are cool

so are 58's

 

[stokka]

East bloc brainwashing at its finest...Five minutes spent with a CZ and anyone with some intelligence can tell you the CZ has more pros than cons and far out does the AK.

TDC

That is right - everybody who disagree with you either brainwashed or stupid. Unlike tones of people who comment on AK but never shot it.. East block problem.. yep.. Let's shut him up, who cares what somebody who actually used an AK thinks...

 

[Shazam]

My dog prefers the AK but he says the SKS aint bad for someone without thumbs!

The AK47`s make for handy rifles.
having handled soviet made (Egyptian surrendered) milled AK47`s .. they are a far cry from the stamped receivers that are on my dog`s PLA made Norinco... and that there is a considerable quality difference in the AK`s that are out there...

The 858`s are great rifles and I prefer the 16`` version rather than the commercially available 18.5``

 

[juliet lima]

I've only fired a couple mags out of a semi 858.

I've fired thousands of rounds out of a select fire AK.

As much as I like the AK it is heavier, has a more awkward safety and lacks a H.O.D., serious considerations in choosing a gun to fight with.

You can install a lightning bolt in the AK though...seriously tips the scales back in it's favour but not enough to overlook the obvious attributes of the CZ.

JMO YMMV

jl

e.t.a. - that is one cherry AK dude...I'm jealous.