Another Glock vs M&P thread!!
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I am a righty and prefer the mag release on the right side. I use my trigger finger to release the mag. I have found it to be much faster and I can keep the gun on target much easier then shifting the gun around so my thumb can hit the mag release. Been doing this for over a year and have long concluded JMB probably put the mag release on the wrong side and everyone else just copied him.Take Care
Bob
My 1911 has an ambi safety.
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Bob
I also use my trigger linger for the mag release but that is mostly because I try to minimize my use of lefty controls so I'm not incompetent when shooting guns without them.
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I have had Browning, Glock, Sig CZ75 and M&P. The Glock was the first pistol that I learned to shoot well, so I am partial to the design. It fits my hand. I had Sig (226) at the same time. Also a great pistol, but kept the Glock, got rid of the SIG. About a year ago, I got rid of the Glock and got the M&P. From my POV, the M&P is nowhere near as proven as the Glock. This is no surprise, as it's a newer design. Still, there are some fairly high-end tactical trainers racking up some mileage on M&Ps now. In addition, it is making some inroads in the law enforcement market, so it should accumulate a fairly extensive track record quickly. Some points that were important to me were a grip angle that is more similar to the other pistols I still shoot (CZ 75, BHP), grip that fits my hand perfectly, and mechanical accuracy that was at least on par with my (stock) Glock. Ambidextrous controls were not as much of a factor due to the way I run the gun (grasp slide on reload vice disengage the slide catch). From my opinion, correct grip fit is often not given the importance it deserves. It influences trigger finger placement and therefore how much your trigger control may influence the pistol.
Undoubtedly I don't know all that much about bullet lead etc. I had just heard, like you said, primers were more of an issue, but I thought that was due to the change to jacketed bullets, and alloys I guess as you mentioned.
Lead is bad. I want as little in me as possible, either from ingestion, inhalation, or high velocity impacts...
Lead is bad. I want as little in me as possible, either from ingestion, inhalation, or high velocity impacts...
Squirrley11
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I can't agree with you more! I too have owned Sig, Glock, M&P and have been issued BHP, Smith 4046 and just recently switched to M&P and I must say the difference with the M&P actually fitting my hand well, and allowing me to use proper trigger manipulation has not only increased my accuracy but also has sped up my emergency reloads being able to comfortably reach the magazine release without turning my hand; and thanks to the slide stop being forward I no longer engage every so often due to my laziness with my thumb hitting it. (has happened one too many times with the 4046 for me)
Anyways that’s just my .02 cents. However I do believe being comfortable with a firearm (especially if you rely on it) is a must. I agree though sometimes being comfortable with it means just using it and getting use to it. That would be like Glocks for me, eventually I got used to them and now I love them!
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LMAO.
Most people grip wrong (or less then optimally anyhow!) Eg: Fitting it in the hand where it "feels good", rather than aligning with the long bones of the forearm, and jamming the webbing of your hand into the grip/beavertail as much as possible. (rough description)
I don't know your level of experience, but I am sure that you can be taught to grip the gun properly regardless of the frame.
Buy something that will work for what you want it to do. Reliable, Accurate, or whatever your specs are.
I guess "feels nice in my hand" could be one of those things...
So could "pink" or "my homies will think it is dope". See "Pimp my Glock" for more.
But if you are framing a house for the first time, the hammer isn't gonna feel good, and the grip will be awkward. But after a few days actually using it, it will "fit like a glove".
Unless you have dwarf hands, or the hands of a 11 ft tall guy, "grip comfort" should be a none issue.
If grip size was really an issue, I think then the people saying "what feels nice" should be recommending the M&P hands down as it is adjustable.
Most people grip wrong (or less then optimally anyhow!) Eg: Fitting it in the hand where it "feels good", rather than aligning with the long bones of the forearm, and jamming the webbing of your hand into the grip/beavertail as much as possible. (rough description)
I don't know your level of experience, but I am sure that you can be taught to grip the gun properly regardless of the frame.
Buy something that will work for what you want it to do. Reliable, Accurate, or whatever your specs are.
I guess "feels nice in my hand" could be one of those things...
So could "pink" or "my homies will think it is dope". See "Pimp my Glock" for more.
But if you are framing a house for the first time, the hammer isn't gonna feel good, and the grip will be awkward. But after a few days actually using it, it will "fit like a glove".
Unless you have dwarf hands, or the hands of a 11 ft tall guy, "grip comfort" should be a none issue.
If grip size was really an issue, I think then the people saying "what feels nice" should be recommending the M&P hands down as it is adjustable.
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Before I bought my first I went to a few retail shops who provided some instruction on how to hold a pistol properly. After comparing 3-4 different models with a consistent proper grip, it was easier to distinguish between them which one fit better in my hands.
And honestly, it doesn't take an 11 foot tall man or a dwarf to change grip comfort. Some people have huge mitts, some standard, some small. Why not buy a pistol (all other things being equal) based on how well it fits? I'm guessing most peoples hands don't change size past the age of 20.
And honestly, it doesn't take an 11 foot tall man or a dwarf to change grip comfort. Some people have huge mitts, some standard, some small. Why not buy a pistol (all other things being equal) based on how well it fits? I'm guessing most peoples hands don't change size past the age of 20.
LMAO.
Most people grip wrong anyhow! Eg: Fitting it in the hand, rather than aligning with the long bones of the forearm.
I don't know your level of experience, but I am sure that you can be taught to grip the gun properly regardless of the frame.
Buy something that will work for what you want it to do. Reliable, Accurate, or whatever your specs are.
I guess "feels nice in my hand" could be one of those things...
So could "pink" or "my homies will think it is dope". See "Pimp my Glock" for more.
But if you are framing a house for the first time, the hammer isn't gonna feel good, and the grip will be awkward. But after a few days actually using it, it will "fit like a glove".
Unless you have dwarf hands, or the hands of a 11 ft tall guy, "grip comfort" should be a none issue.
If grip size was really an issue, I think then the people saying "what feels nice" should be recommending the M&P hands down as it is adjustable.
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Huh?
Are you seriuos?
Maintenance ???? What has that got to do with it. I was curious how many rounds I could put through the gun before it would malfuntion. I got my answer. I don't remember how many it was exactly but it was well over 2K. I thought that was impressive. It had nothing to do with a maintenance schedule...obviously.
Your comments about lead and reasoning ability are obviously stupid crap so I won't both to respond to them.
John
Are you seriuos?
Maintenance ???? What has that got to do with it. I was curious how many rounds I could put through the gun before it would malfuntion. I got my answer. I don't remember how many it was exactly but it was well over 2K. I thought that was impressive. It had nothing to do with a maintenance schedule...obviously.
Your comments about lead and reasoning ability are obviously stupid crap so I won't both to respond to them.
John
What I meant was that by emphasizing, as you implied, that the glock could go 2k+ without an issue, that that info was more valuable than just telling him to go away... Clearly in your case the fouling was negligible up to 2k. That is a good run with no FTF etc.
Clearly in your case the fouling was negligible up to 2k. That is a good run with no FTF etc.
Glock would be my vote, if for nothing else reliability. I have a 40 cal that is 13 years old with about 20,000 rounds through it and it has never failed. I also have a second with less rounds through it but same results.They have very few moving parts, are very easy to strip down completely for cleaning. As far as appearance they are not my favourite weapon but having seen what a Glock will do, I have a hard time not giving it my full support.
What I meant was that by emphasizing, as you implied, that the glock could go 2k+ without an issue, that that info was more valuable than just telling him to go away...
I was under the impression that the issue was lead build up in the polygonal rifling which could lead to over pressurizing the barrel causing a catastophic failure. Jacketed 9mm is fairly cheap so why would you compromise safety to shoot lead anyways.
As for the comments of the other poster advocating no issues in 90k with leaded rounds, I bet the rifling is worn down enough that it no longer collects as much lead residue anyways... there by keeping the pressure lower and also making it easier to clean...
But hey its your gun, do what you want.
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What I meant was that by emphasizing, as you implied, that the glock could go 2k+ without an issue, that that info was more valuable than just telling him to go away...
Okay. Fair enough comment except for one thing...I was talking about my M&P
As far as the Glock vs M&P goes I will repeat that I almost bought a Glock but.....once things at work get back to normal and I have a little more ready cash I intend to buy one.
While I absolutely respect the opinion of the shooters who warned me about shooting lead bullets through a stock Glock barrel I want to see for myself. If it proves to be a major issue I can change the barrel out.
When I checked out the Glock 17 at a local shop I really like the feel of it and how it sat in my hand. the difference in grip angle from the M&P was noticeable but it only took a few dry runs and it was coming up with the sights aligned. But like I said the barrel thing gave me pause.
The other factor that swayed me to buy another M&P9mm is that when I take my daughter or friends out shooting the mags, holsters etc are all interchangable...makes things real easy.
Having 2 pistol the same is real handy for competitions. I never really thought about that until last year at Provincials. One of the shooters had a gun breakdown on the first stage. No spare gun so he was done for the day. As I hope to put a few miles on this year travelling to shoots this is a factor as well.
For a new shooter I think the M&P is a good choice. Reliable, accurate, easy to use, and the removable backstraps make it easier to fit the gun to the shooter. IMHO
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I live in Kitimat and jacketed bullets are nowhere near cheap here. The cost of shipping is prohibitive. We have a couple of local guys here who cast lead bullets at a reasonable price so it is the best option.
I shoot a lot when preparing for a match and a ready supply of cheap bullets is important to me...in this area lead is the only affordable option.
John
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