Tsx

Johnn Peterson said:
Good pictures and thanks for that. Following the 'suggestions' of my son in law and info and recommendations of a couple of people on HBC, I'm in the process of changeover from standbys like Sierra Gamekings to Barnes. In a recently acquired 7x61 S&H and to start testing, I'm planning on going with the 140gr TTSX and/or the 140gr MRX. Next on the list is my '06 and there I'm thinking of 150gr TTSX and/or MRX. Then, in the 308NM, I'm looking at the 168gr TTSX and or the 165gr MRX. Question, inline with your pictures, I've checked the Barnes site and I can't clearly see exactly what the main difference in construction is between the TTSX and the MRX. :redface:Do you have pictures of or a clear description of the difference, for someone trying to catch up with technology??
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X-fan said:
The Fail Safe doesn't expand below 2500 FPS?
What have you heard or seen?
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seen mule deer shot @ 75 yards with a 308 Win/165 gr FS which we never found, I seen the impact in the chest through my binocs (buddy was shooting), didnt find that buck.

black bear @ 100 yards with 300 mag, 180 FS. Hit the bear and it went down, got up rolling around and took off, found bullet in tree behind bear and judging by the damage done to the wood it didnt expand much. bear was lost with no blood trail

caribou with 7mm Mag/160 gr FS, shot @ 150 yards behind shoulder, took another shot to put it down, upon gutting it we found the first shot showed very little damage to the lungs, small hole.

They made the Xp3 elite with that plastic tip for a reason
 
I'll have to agree with you Tod. I shot my moose year before last with 140 gr fail safe from my 270 at about 100 yards. One small hole in and one small hole out on each shot. It's a good thing moose are whimpy and lay down fast. I'm switching but not sure if I'm goind to TTSX or Accubonds or other.
 
Got a question for you tsx's enthusiast... I fired several tsx's out of my .30-06 last week and managed to recover 10 rounds from the backstop (sand). Why is it I have 3/10 that didn't fully expand?

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X bullets rely on moisture to create a hydraulic force to open the bullet.

Some African hunters had expansion issues on thick skinned game with early (plain X bullets). The thinking was that the nose of the bullet was getting plugged with dry skin/hair and not allowing any hydraulic action to take place.

The TSX seems free from this problem (compare the X and TSX hollow point) and I would assume the TTSX expands without any moisture requirement.
 
todbartell said:
seen mule deer shot @ 75 yards with a 308 Win/165 gr FS which we never found, I seen the impact in the chest through my binocs (buddy was shooting), didnt find that buck.

black bear @ 100 yards with 300 mag, 180 FS. Hit the bear and it went down, got up rolling around and took off, found bullet in tree behind bear and judging by the damage done to the wood it didnt expand much. bear was lost with no blood trail

caribou with 7mm Mag/160 gr FS, shot @ 150 yards behind shoulder, took another shot to put it down, upon gutting it we found the first shot showed very little damage to the lungs, small hole.

They made the Xp3 elite with that plastic tip for a reason
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Wow!

I had planned to try the bullet a few years ago....Glad I didn't!
 
I'm in load developement with a few cartridges, and the tsx is one of my preffered bullets. Does the TTSX perform much better than the TSX? I hate to cheap out on bullets but with the price of this crap a few bucks here and there helps out a bit.

If you were developing a load for a new rifle you picked up, starting from scratch, would you use the TSX or the TTSX? I'm not interested in the MRX.
 
I'd suggest the TSX......The TTSX might be nice if you want to play around with a different bullet.
 
Goose25 said:
Got a question for you tsx's enthusiast... I fired several tsx's out of my .30-06 last week and managed to recover 10 rounds from the backstop (sand). Why is it I have 3/10 that didn't fully expand?

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Because you shot sand. Factor in gravel, bullets and other crap and your bound to cause damage just like you have in your photo. If you want to try and recover bullets, it's best to build a trap with wet media. It'll cause the bullet to open properly and stop it.
 
given the choice between the two I would go with the TTSX, they're pretty ###y and deer moose and elk dont like ###y bullets
 
Ttsx

I have been playing with the TTSX .225 Gr in my .338 Win mag and they shoot very good groups , better than the partitions in .225 , one thing about them is they bring copper fouling to a whole new level.:sniper:
 
Machinist said:
I have been playing with the TTSX .225 Gr in my .338 Win mag and they shoot very good groups , better than the partitions in .225 , one thing about them is they bring copper fouling to a whole new level.:sniper:
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There are a few things you can do to reduce this fouling.
Never switch from regular bullets to X bullets before removing any jacket fouling from the bore or the X bullet material will "stick" to the existing fouling.

You might want to have a look at your bore cleaner.
There are new products out that make cooper removal a snap.
Leave Wipe Out in the nastiest bore overnight and it will come out clean the next morning.

I can shoot 40-50 rounds through a match barrel and have the fouling come out in a patch or two. Really rough barrels need a 1/2 hour soak then come clean in a patch or two.
 
Pro Shot

I bought some Pro - Shot bore cleaner last weekend and it cleaned to all out in one patching , great stuff :D



X-fan said:
There are a few things you can do to reduce this fouling.
Never switch from regular bullets to X bullets before removing any jacket fouling from the bore or the X bullet material will "stick" to the existing fouling.

You might want to have a look at your bore cleaner.
There are new products out that make cooper removal a snap.
Leave Wipe Out in the nastiest bore overnight and it will come out clean the next morning.

I can shoot 40-50 rounds through a match barrel and have the fouling come out in a patch or two. Really rough barrels need a 1/2 hour soak then come clean in a patch or two.
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I think Barnes had the original solid hunting bullet with expanding tip, the X-Bullet. Didn't much care for the original version of the X-Bullet. Then came along Winchester with it's Failsafe as a knock-off of the Barnes X. Barnes then perfected the X-Bullet with the TSX. I love the TSX, though at over a dollar a bullet, it doesn't much encourage range practice. Need to have a range load worked up that mimics the performance of the TSX for practice purposes. But as a hunting bullet, the TSX is one of the most reliable in my books. Anyway, back to the point, Winchester copied the original Barnes X-Bullet.
 
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