Are you a Keith or O'Conner advocate

[Johnn Peterson]

]Wow[/B].....You really ARE obsessed with me

First you were obsessing over a fantasy of me in womens clothing, and now you are now making up a fantasy world with fantasy stories about me in it.

And still you hope and dream. Sorry, ain't gonna' happen. When the urge for 'your' type of company comes about, get it where you usually do, or. There may be a lot of things I am, but I assure you, your type, is not one of them. You can 'wear' what you like, as long as you're happy. Again, if I had the inclination to play a part in your life, my first choice would be the Bear you're hunting.

 

[Gatehouse]

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I have shot over 25 deer with a 22-250 and 55gr Sierra SP @ 3660fps muzzle velocity all dropped instantly with a 1/4" hole in the front of the neck and a 2" hole out the back of the neck and nothing but the hide holding the head to the body.

I now load 55gr Trophy Bonded Bearclaws in both my 223 & 22-250's and am totally aware of these cartridges capabilities and I am not just passing judgement from 2 animals.

As far as my experience with these little bullets is they will do the job if you do yours the problem comes when Murphy pops out of nowhere and everything doesn't go as planned the possiblity of ending up with a wounded animal is too great for me to promote using a marginal round.

Let's assume that your number of 25 deer is accurate (unlike when you fibbed about shooting 2 wolves when you only shot one)

You have shot 25 deer with a .22-250 and you think that a .223 is MARGINAL? The only difference between the 223 and the 22-250 is about 300fps!!

This doesn't make much sense, that you willingly use one but class the other as marginal. It's like saying a .300 Winchester is adequate but a 30-06 is not.

GH I do not doubt that you are capable with your firearms/cartridge/bullet choices what I see is the problem of sharing is that others that may not be as skilled will also give it a try resulting in wounded animals.

There are to many wounded animals with the larger cartridges due to poor markmanship all ready

Don't tell the truth because it might influence others? , I'd rather state the actual facts and let hunters decide for themselves. Isnt' that what Elmer would have done?

There is no doubt that using a .223 will limit your shot opportunities compared to a .300 Magnum, but all cartridges have to be used within their effective parameters.

 

[Gatehouse]

And still you hope and dream. Sorry, ain't gonna' happen. When the urge for 'your' type of company comes about, get it where you usually do, or. There may be a lot of things I am, but I assure you, your type, is not one of them. You can 'wear' what you like, as long as you're happy. Again, if I had the inclination to play a part in your life, my first choice would be the Bear you're hunting.

Creepy.

Just plain creepy...

 

[Johnn Peterson]

Creepy.

Just plain creepy...

I agree, that you are.

 

[Camp Cook]

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Let's assume that your number of 25 deer is accurate (unlike when you fibbed about shooting 2 wolves when you only shot one)

You have shot 25 deer with a .22-250 and you think that a .223 is MARGINAL? The only difference between the 223 and the 22-250 is about 300fps!!

This doesn't make much sense, that you willingly use one but class the other as marginal. It's like saying a .300 Winchester is adequate but a 30-06 is not.


Don't tell the truth because it might influence others? , I'd rather state the actual facts and let hunters decide for themselves. Isnt' that what Elmer would have done?

There is no doubt that using a .223 will limit your shot opportunities compared to a .300 Magnum, but all cartridges have to be used within their effective parameters.

Everyone except for the anti should have clued into the wolf thread I posted 2 pictures of the same wolf you telling me you couldn't tell that it was the same animal to say that I am amazed that I fooled even you is an understatement and if your little buddy hadn't remembered the story you would have never figured it out...

I also see that you missed that I put both the 223 & 22-250 in the same catagory I didn't say one was better or worse than the other, I said both can in optimum situations work but I will not promote either and I have no doubt that I have far more experience shooting any game with these cartridges than you.

 

[Gatehouse]

I also see that you missed that I put both the 223 & 22-250 in the same catagory I didn't say one was better or worse than the other, I said both can in optimum situations work but I will not promote either and I have no doubt that I have far more experience shooting any game with these cartridges than you.

Will you continue to use those cartridges for hunting big game?

 

[todbartell]

bullets that hold together well penetrate well, even small ones. Big ones work too, but we don't have to hunt deer with a 458 Lott & TSX's? I'd rather hunt moose with a 25-06 & 115 gr Barnes bullets than a 300 Win Mag with 200 gr Sierra boattails.

 

[Camp Cook]

Will you continue to use those cartridges for hunting big game?

Haven't used them since the 1980's on deer and have no real intentions to use them again I have about 10 rounds of TBBC's of both 223 & 22-250 loaded but I will probably never use them on deer and will never use them on bear unless I am coyote hunting and have to deal with one.

I have far more appropriate cartridges available to me and don't need to pull stunts any longer I've been there done it and don't need to do it again.

As far as I am concerned these rounds and others like them should only be used for predators and varmints.

 

[Gatehouse]

As far as I am concerned these rounds and others like them should only be used for predators and varmints.

What you use them on it up to you of course, but the fact remains that they will also kill larger game cleanly. Just need to be used within their parameters!

I don't need to convince you of this of course, because you've seen this yourself.

 

[Camp Cook]

What you use them on it up to you of course, but the fact remains that they will also kill larger game cleanly. Just need to be used within their parameters!

I don't need to convince you of this of course, because you've seen this yourself.

I'll agree but only when conditions are perfect and Murphy likes to screw around with that now and then...

Ahhh I had to watch "Marley and Me" tonight so I didn't get my 375RUM's sight in rounds loaded up.

I put a brand new VX 111 4.5-14X40mm B&C scope on the 375RUM this last week and need to get it sighted in along with my Vari-X 111 2.5-8X36mm B&C scope that was on the 375RUM but is now on my 375JDJ, I'm going to the range tomorrow morning...

 

[X-fan]

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but we don't have to hunt deer with a 458 Lott & TSX's?
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So what are you trying to say!...They've got scary pointy horns!

 

[Gatehouse]

I'll agree but only when conditions are perfect and Murphy likes to screw around with that now and then...

Ahhh I had to watch "Marley and Me" tonight so I didn't get my 375RUM's sight in rounds loaded up.

I put a brand new VX 111 4.5-14X40mm B&C scope on the 375RUM this last week and need to get it sighted in along with my Vari-X 111 2.5-8X36mm B&C scope that was on the 375RUM but is now on my 375JDJ, I'm going to the range tomorrow morning...

I've got the same scopes. I actually prefer the 2.5-8, although that isn't surprising, since I have 3 of them. The 4.5-14 sits on my .223 and I don't know if I would buy another one. I just installed a Mk2 Hunter on my 300WSM. Haven't played with it enough to know if I like it or not, but it appears to have everything I need.

 

[Camp Cook]

As I get older my eye sight is getting worse actually far worse than I ever dreamt I now have a cornea condition called Keretaconus which is the thinning and drooping of my cornea's I was on a cornea replacement list due to this.

With glasses on my correction is 20-20 in my left eye and at best only 20-40 in my right so I started increasing the power of my scopes where I used to use a 1-4X I now have 2-7X, 3-9X are now 4-12 or 4.5-14X.

I then found Ted Littlewood a contact fitting genious, with a specialty contact that are only made in Isreal I now see 20-20 again in my right eye so removed myself from the transplant list only issue is the contact is not very comfortable so I stayed with the higher power scopes for when I have my glasses on.

Due to the long distance shooting capabilities of my 375RUM I had a 4.5-14 B&C scope on it and really liked it but when I purchased my 22-250 Sako 85 Grey Wolf I removed it and put it onto the Sako and put my 2.5-8 B&C onto the 375RUM.

I found that this B&C reticle was not thin enough for fine work with the 22-250 so I popped my Vari X 111 4.5-14 fine reticle AO scope off of my 300RUM and put it onto the 22-250.

Then I finished my 375JDJ and felt that I wanted the 2.5-8X B&C on it so I bought the new 4.5-14X B&C and swapped those 2 scopes as well so now the 375RUM has the exact same scope back on and both my RUM's have the same scope.

That is only for 4 rifles I am constantly changing scopes and you guys may have wondered why I shoot so much I am constantly changing scopes and resighting them or working up loads the ammo component people love me...

 

[Gatehouse]

As I get older my eye sight is getting worse actually far worse than I ever dreamt I now have a cornea condition called Keretaconus which is the thinning and drooping of my cornea's I was on a cornea replacement list due to this.

With glasses on my correction is 20-20 in my left eye and at best only 20-40 in my right so I started increasing the power of my scopes where I used to use a 1-4X I now have 2-7X, 3-9X are now 4-12 or 4.5-14X.

I then found Ted Littlewood a contact fitting genious, with a specialty contact that are only made in Isreal I now see 20-20 again in my right eye so removed myself from the transplant list only issue is the contact is not very comfortable so I stayed with the higher power scopes for when I have my glasses on.

Due to the long distance shooting capabilities of my 375RUM I had a 4.5-14 B&C scope on it and really liked it but when I purchased my 22-250 Sako 85 Grey Wolf I removed it and put it onto the Sako and put my 2.5-8 B&C onto the 375RUM.

I found that this B&C reticle was not thin enough for fine work with the 22-250 so I popped my Vari X 111 4.5-14 fine reticle AO scope off of my 300RUM and put it onto the 22-250.

Then I finished my 375JDJ and felt that I wanted the 2.5-8X B&C on it so I bought the new 4.5-14X B&C and swapped those 2 scopes as well so now the 375RUM has the exact same scope back on and both my RUM's have the same scope.

That is only for 4 rifles I am constantly changing scopes and you guys may have wondered why I shoot so much I am constantly changing scopes and resighting them or working up loads the ammo component people love me...

All that scope swapping makes you sound like Bartell. He is always swapping scopes. He actually swaps lots of stocks, too...It would drive me nuts.

 

[Camp Cook]

I have b/g laminate and synthetic stocks for most of my rifles so I'm also a stock swapper but I have kind of put a stop to that I like the black/gray laminate s/s combo to much now.

The only way that you could compare me to TB is I'd have to get rid of most of my rifles to get down to the few that he swaps scopes/stocks on and I'd have to shoot a lot less.

He does have a couple of nice rifle/cartridge combo's though they would just look better to me if the stocks were changed to b/g laminate...

 

[Edward Teach]

All that scope swapping makes you sound like Bartell. He is always swapping scopes. He actually swaps lots of stocks, too...It would drive me nuts.

Does he now? I wonder if he'd know where I could get my hands on a laminate thumbhole stock for a long action SPS?

Back on topic: I'm a big slow boolit kind of guy.

 

[Camp Cook]

Follow this link to Boyds if it is still legal to ship $100.00 worth of stocks across the border I would get them to sell it to me and show the price of the stock being $99.99 on the invoice then have them ship it directly to me.

http://www.boydsgunstocks.com/ROSS-REMINGTON-700-BDL-p/rem-700-bdl-la-ros-pl-vip.htm

 

[John Y Cannuck]

If you hit a deer in the ribs with a 200 grain bullet, at only 900 fps, it goes clean through.
If that bullet is a 44 or better, it bleeds lots.
But, when I did it, it didn't matter, because the deer fell over where I hit it.

If you hit a deer in the ribs with a 165 grain 308, and considerably higher speeds, you also get a dead deer. Just as fast.

Both people's theories have their merits. I like Kieth's, just because.

 

[trevj]

Fast or slow, heavy or light, does not matter if you miss it.

Cheers
Trev

 

[H4831]

Fast or slow, heavy or light, does not matter if you miss it.

Cheers
Trev

No, no, not on this site. NO ONE ever misses on this site!!!
Not only does no one miss, no one ever misses the vital chest-lung area.