Are you a Keith or O'Conner advocate
- Thread starter Lefty Dick
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It's easier to miss with a little bullet than a big one...
That's funny, I've noticed it to be the other way around.
That's pretty rich comming from the guy called 'the hummer' on other sites
It'd be nice if we could just talk guns. ..
It's true that most hunters are probably over gunned....Which leads to flinching and poor marksmanship.
Most hunters shoot a box or 2 or less of ammo every year to "sight in" and then go hunting, and barely practice. It can be hard to shoot well when you are anticipating your .300 BigBoy Magnum smacking you in the face
I really think most hunters would do well to arm themselves with cartridges like the .270/7x57/7-08/.308/30-06 and spend more time at the range shooting from field positions, it would greatly reduce wounded and lost animals from "less than perfect" shot placement.
Then again, even people that shoot frequently miss completely on relatively easy shots from time to time.
I totally agree...mind you my choice is going to focus on the 6.5x55 swede.
To hell with the rest.
I should have mentioned 6.5x55 and .260, too...
Before we turn this thread into a "what cartridge should Gatehouse put on the list" thread, I'll just say 'Any cartridge that is similar in performance to the original list is probably a good idea!
Although the average hunter isn't a handloader, so the .308 Bellm and any other cartridge not found at Canadian Tire probably would limit their target practice.
Keith for big game-heavy bullet weight for caliber-penetration and larger permanent wound channel. O'Conner for medium game and varmint-flat trajectory, high speed,and for varmint explosive effect. I believe the Keith approach results in good killing power with minimum Meat destruction. It must be said, however,that whichever approach you follow, bullet placement is paramount.
JohnS.
JohnS.
Before we turn this thread into a "what cartridge should Gatehouse put on the list" thread, I'll just say 'Any cartridge that is similar in performance to the original list is probably a good idea!
Although the average hunter isn't a handloader, so the .308 Bellm and any other cartridge not found at Canadian Tire probably would limit their target practice.
Ok you got me my 308Bellm is the only one that has ever been registered in Canada by the CFC so I can see why you over looked it.
Those are very good do everything choices myself I actually don't have a favorite cartridge or I maybe I should say that every rifle/cartridge combo I have is my favorite for a certain type of hunting/shooting.
There are many that I would never own though here is an example of a few of the ones that I have absolutely no use for 204 Ruger, 243 Win, 257 Roberts, 260, 7mm-08, 308 Win, 270 Win, the entire WSM line, 7mm RM, 338 Win, 375 Ruger, 444 Marlin (the only thing good about the 444 are the cases are perfect for wildcats for the T/C Contenders) and I'll end with the 450 Marlin...
There are a lot more that I would never own but I figure I won't bore you guys with any more.
We don't tend to register by Cartridge type in Canada, only firearm model/type.
For example one could have an 94 win 30/30 Ackley improved...on the registration card it would say what the original receiver was...registration = receiver.
1 or 2 years ago I put this rifle into my son's name from mine when I did the person at the CFC made me give a list of the different barrel lengths and cartridges that we owned for it.
I agrued that they did not need the info but gave up and provided the info because she would not proceed with the transfer until I gave her what she asked for.
So when I came to the 308Bellm barrel she had to create a new cartridge listing because it did not exist in the CFC's data base.
So yes it is at that time and probably due to the US export permits needed now the only 308Bellm registered in Canada.
I agrued that they did not need the info but gave up and provided the info because she would not proceed with the transfer until I gave her what she asked for.
So when I came to the 308Bellm barrel she had to create a new cartridge listing because it did not exist in the CFC's data base.
So yes it is at that time and probably due to the US export permits needed now the only 308Bellm registered in Canada.
And then there was Sir Samual Baker and his 2 gauge named baby. He went to his grave wishing that he had never seen it, and swearing that there was no reason to go past the 8 bore rifle. Even with these handheld cannons, brain shots on elephants were not reliable until nitro powder made comparitively small bore high velocity cartridges like the nitro express cartridges into giant slayers.
It's hard to think of .40 plus with 400 grain on the light end bullets as small bore high velocity cartridges, but compared to the bore guns they were. The "small bore" at a screaming 2100 fps won that battle, against the quarter pounders at shotgun speed.
Johnn Peterson
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- Chemainus B.C.
Johnn Peterson
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Chemainus B.C.
bullets that hold together well penetrate well, even small ones. Big ones work too, but we don't have to hunt deer with a 458 Lott & TSX's? I'd rather hunt moose with a 25-06 & 115 gr Barnes bullets than a 300 Win Mag with 200 gr Sierra boattails.
And it's not that I don't appreciate your take and experience. It's just that especially concerning accuracy, but also the performance on game, in my 308NM, the 200gr Sierra SBT has been superb. If you want, I'll PM you a target scan including load info. It may help explain my reluctance. However, with input from you, my son in law and bc sportsman, and with considerable reluctance, I'm going to todays bullet technology in a couple of rifles. I'm getting old so the change over or transition to todays technology in bullets is taking a while.
I dont doubt a Sierra Gameking shot accurate for you, and killed animals well too. My point was simply that you can get reliable killing performance from a small, lighter bullet now more so than ever before with bullets that retain near 99% of their original weight after impact. A 7-08 or 7x57 with a 140 gr X bullet will put moose and elk down as well as a 30-06 or 300 Mag with a 200gr soft point. Would I rather use a 300 Mag on elk? yeah probably, but if I had a smaller rifle in my hands I would still be skinning elk back at camp that night
