Letters to Day and Van Loan in the mail. Hopefully some of the guys who don't have one ordered or have withdrawn their orders get involved in letter writing as this is a situation which needs a just resolution for Can Am and the people who are still waiting.
Type 97 Classification Issues - PART TWO
- Thread starter Clobbersauras
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I expect that the RCMP is a little bit jealous....afterall....they are stuck with piddly little 9mm and 12 gauge....they are ticked off that the general public can have fun at the range plinking with an obscene bullpup like the T-97?
The stOOpid thing is....legal, law-abiding, taxpaying, family orientated firearms owners are the least thing they should worry about....most legal gun owners will NEVER be a problem...rare cases(less than 1%)...yes...but other than that were all pretty tame?
Are you quite certian of that ?????
Yes Clobb can take it to the range , he cannot sell it or transfer it
The bottom line is that the RCMP does not want the new T97's but they already approved the restricted ones a few years back and are feeling some regret over that. They are stuck, they feel they made a boubou last time. Pressure needs to be put on Val Loan so that things can move on, or else they will leave the new T97's in suspend mode and the original T97's in review mode.
Since the RCMP is most likely stuck on the idea of "easy" conversion to FA (true or not), they need to be brought to task on legally proving that or back off and approve the import. Right now they have no requirement to prove anything since no decision has been brought forward.
Since the RCMP is most likely stuck on the idea of "easy" conversion to FA (true or not), they need to be brought to task on legally proving that or back off and approve the import. Right now they have no requirement to prove anything since no decision has been brought forward.
Clobbersauras
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I called the CFC last week. Status is the same with my restricted T-97. It's still currently restricted BUT apparently there is no longer an FRT# for my model. At least the "information officer" couldn't find one.
It seems the right hand DOES NOT know what the left hand is doing. The techs know what is going on but the information officers do not.
The disappearance of an FRT number is interesting but not unexpected...
Perhaps someone who has access to the FRT tables could confirm....
It seems the right hand DOES NOT know what the left hand is doing. The techs know what is going on but the information officers do not.
The disappearance of an FRT number is interesting but not unexpected...
Perhaps someone who has access to the FRT tables could confirm....
Clobbersauras
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- Waaay out west.
No - AFAIK I can't transfer it.
Please post it here when it's done... so we can send many copies to justice minisiter... if Canam says this has a positive effect, then this is what when need to do to get our guns. Thanks.
Obviously RCMP has put itself in a terrible position. They already decided it is not a prohibited rifle two years ago.
Can they change the classification? Yes but extremely difficult due to liability.
Did they realize that? No, they went ahead banned T97.
Do they realize that now? Yes, so they brought T97 FRT# back to "review". So T97 owners can shoot them again.
In other cases, they just put the whole thing on hold for ever. But in T97 case, they can't because too many T97 owners get involved, plus, CanAm, the dealer, is motivated to find the answer.
So far RCMP is delaying the whole thing by "reviewing". But with CanAm's law suit approaching, I doubt how long they can hold. Then they will find no matter what they do, let T97 go or not, a political disaster will follow. Wouldn't surprise me if somebody get fired from RCMP.
It will be a good lesson to antis in RCMP.
Can they change the classification? Yes but extremely difficult due to liability.
Did they realize that? No, they went ahead banned T97.
Do they realize that now? Yes, so they brought T97 FRT# back to "review". So T97 owners can shoot them again.
In other cases, they just put the whole thing on hold for ever. But in T97 case, they can't because too many T97 owners get involved, plus, CanAm, the dealer, is motivated to find the answer.
So far RCMP is delaying the whole thing by "reviewing". But with CanAm's law suit approaching, I doubt how long they can hold. Then they will find no matter what they do, let T97 go or not, a political disaster will follow. Wouldn't surprise me if somebody get fired from RCMP.
It will be a good lesson to antis in RCMP.
Clobbersauras
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- Waaay out west.
Sorry Michael - but AFAIK these two statements are incorrect.
The T97 is not banned(prohib)....yet.
It's "legal classification is under review". They are not allowing transfers at this time. They have removed a FRT # (or #'s) from the system but there are still FRT's #'s for the T97 in they system....which ones I'm not sure.
The CBSA sent samples of CanAm's shipment of T97'S to the RCMP for review. The RCMP made their ruling regarding the classification of the T97 (what that ruling is can only be guessed at, but if I were a betting man I would double down that it wasn't positive). It is now up to the CBSA to make a decision: release the rifles, or reject them based on the RCMP'S ruling. See my previous posts for more of what I was told by the head CFC tech.
In my opinion the RCMP is downloading their responsibility to CBSA. If this shipment of T97's isn't allowed into the country they have less of a problem, and they only have to deal with the small amount of rifles previously imported. IMO, because there are so few in country, they would just keep things status quo.
IF CanAm's shipment of rifles are released they have a huge problem and a lot of egg on their face....they are hoping the CBSA rejects them and this just goes away.
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Quick go out and by a lottery ticket you stand a better chance of winning a prize from lotto 6/49 than you do waiting for the ruling from CBSA to be in Cam Am 's favor
I would think that if the CBSA had a definitive negative ruling from the RCMP then they would not be procrastinating. They could easily just say "sorry it has nothing to do with us, they are classed as ...."
Yes the classification has nothing to do with CBSA, they would only decide on whether or not said rifles can be received by CANAM based on the classification of those rifles and the ability of CANAM to hold/own those rifles in Canada.
As far as I know there is only one FRT number in the system for a T97 rifle and that is the prohib, military select fire version which of course these are not. I have been told that CANAM was instructed to use this FRT number for the rifles they brought in and of course this is a stupid request from the RCMP because these rifles do not fit the details of that FRT.
Listen if anyone doubts that the RCMP has taken aggressive action against the rights of Canadian citizens by attempting to usurp Canadian law and create their own guidelines then you really need to take the time to think about the nature of their actions so far and do some research into whats going on. The RCMP have specifically targeted CANAM and legal Canadian firearms owners because a very small number of them believe that they have the authority (they of course do not) to tell us how to live and effectively create laws to that end. They could have at any time in the last two years reviewed their ruling on the T97 but they waited till a large shipment was on Canadian soil so they could seize it and try to bankrupt CANAM making them an example to other companies serving the legal desires of Canadian citizens. The RCMP was well aware of both the nature of rifles long before they were imported and when they would be coming. The RCMP and CSIS constantly monitor CGN, nothing that is said here is a secret.
This situation is an embarrassment to the RCMP but much much more so to the Canadian people, because this has been allowed to get this far. They have created a scandal one way or another and are simply hoping that we will all forget about it so they can avoid the prying eyes of the media and the Canadian people. From what I can gather it is even possible (note I only say "possible") that certain members have purposely attempted to deceive certain key people who likely would have never allowed it to get this far. Now they have created a #### pizza and they are the only ones who don't want to take a bite, the best thing they could do is reinstate the previous FRT# and let the law abiding citizens of this country get on with living.
As far as I know there is only one FRT number in the system for a T97 rifle and that is the prohib, military select fire version which of course these are not. I have been told that CANAM was instructed to use this FRT number for the rifles they brought in and of course this is a stupid request from the RCMP because these rifles do not fit the details of that FRT.
Listen if anyone doubts that the RCMP has taken aggressive action against the rights of Canadian citizens by attempting to usurp Canadian law and create their own guidelines then you really need to take the time to think about the nature of their actions so far and do some research into whats going on. The RCMP have specifically targeted CANAM and legal Canadian firearms owners because a very small number of them believe that they have the authority (they of course do not) to tell us how to live and effectively create laws to that end. They could have at any time in the last two years reviewed their ruling on the T97 but they waited till a large shipment was on Canadian soil so they could seize it and try to bankrupt CANAM making them an example to other companies serving the legal desires of Canadian citizens. The RCMP was well aware of both the nature of rifles long before they were imported and when they would be coming. The RCMP and CSIS constantly monitor CGN, nothing that is said here is a secret.
This situation is an embarrassment to the RCMP but much much more so to the Canadian people, because this has been allowed to get this far. They have created a scandal one way or another and are simply hoping that we will all forget about it so they can avoid the prying eyes of the media and the Canadian people. From what I can gather it is even possible (note I only say "possible") that certain members have purposely attempted to deceive certain key people who likely would have never allowed it to get this far. Now they have created a #### pizza and they are the only ones who don't want to take a bite, the best thing they could do is reinstate the previous FRT# and let the law abiding citizens of this country get on with living.
Amen Supra!!
Goth, Savage has alot of knowledge and deals with Gov't types all the time especially at work.
On a side note has anyone tried contacting the CBSA?? Im currently trying to call in a favor to someone from my past inside with the RCMP but they are on vacation, I will post as soon as I get a response.
Goth, Savage has alot of knowledge and deals with Gov't types all the time especially at work.
On a side note has anyone tried contacting the CBSA?? Im currently trying to call in a favor to someone from my past inside with the RCMP but they are on vacation, I will post as soon as I get a response.
