Greenhorse six
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So,Basicly the Glock is a Automatic Transmission for people who can't or don't want to learn to drive a Standard,that being the 1911.
1911 tests - enough to make TDC's head explode.
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So,Basicly the Glock is a Automatic Transmission for people who can't or don't want to learn to drive a Standard,that being the 1911.
Clobbersauras
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Here's a pick of a work in progress....Norinco "Police" model....Chip McCormick 10 round pimp mag sticking out the bottom. TDC is right...low profile it is not.
VCD Grips, Colt slide stop, Wilson mag release...needs to go to Gunnar for sight work ( I was able to score a set of XS Big dots) and tuning....not sure what I want to do with the mainspring housing yet, something with a lanyard ring would be good...There are sharp edges everywhere, I need to smooth it out some. I'm not really concerned with ruining the finish as this is a project gun. The VCD grips are the best I've felt....ugly as sin though.
I only have 150 rounds through it so far...no stoppages. The only pistol I've fired that is more accurate (marginally so) is my buddies HK PSP.
Sorry for the crappy pics....
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Nice looking pistol Cobb. 8+1 should solve most of your problems, if not you might want to look for a shotgun or rifle. I have one of the older Norcs done up by Dlask. It is the most accurate pistol I own, bar none. Great for IDPA CDP Division. If we get a weight increase next rule book change for CDP though I would switch to the CZ 97B for the double strike capability. Accuracy is even.
Take Care
Bob
Take Care
Bob
Clobbersauras
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Thanks! I use mostly CH Shooting Stars, which so far feed reliably in it. The ten rounders feed reliably as well but they are more novelty than anything. Even the Norc mag works but it is murder on the hands as it seems to be built with razor blades..there's not a smooth edge on it.
Thanks! I use mostly CH Shooting Stars, which so far feed reliably in it. The ten rounders feed reliably as well but they are more novelty than anything. Even the Norc mag works but it is murder on the hands as it seems to be built with razor blades..there's not a smooth edge on it.
I know this would not be well received by some of the experts on this thread but my $325 Norinco that is box stock as yet to have a failure of any kind after 5K rds or so. It is my "bush" gun loaded with .45-08 cartridges. It doesn't get much use now but it is always around and is capable. I have found the McCormick Pro-Mags to be as good as any in 8rd variety.
Pretty much moved on to the M&P 9MM and my CZ's for playing the games. The lower back doesn't appreciate the .45acp recoil as much as it once did.
Take Care
Bob
ps IF we all felt the same way there would be one happy lady in this world and a whole lot of unhappy ones!
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So,Basicly the Glock is a Automatic Transmission for people who can't or don't want to learn to drive a Standard,that being the 1911.
Ouch, that hurts.
Your comparison is quite appropriate.There you go again with the ignorant pro 1911 talk. Even from a gaming stand point the low mag capacity is a handicap. Reloads cost you time so why reload more than necessary? A solid tactic. You are correct, a long gun should be the primary choice supported by a handgun.
Accuracy is a function of the shooter, not the gear.
Double strike capability?! Where the f*ck did you learn that ignorant a$$ backward "tactic"? Pulling the trigger a second time wastes time and solves nothing. A class one malfunction(click not bang) should be solved with the proverbial IA known as TAP RACK. Here's why. A second pull of the trigger(second strike capability) has the potential to solve only one possible problem, a hard primer. The vast majority of class one malfunctions are due to unseated magazines which means a round was not chambered. That being the case a second pull of the trigger solves nothing. Lets put that aside, say you do have a round chambered. Why attempt to detonate a round that has already proven to be unreliable? The issue is either a hard primer or a bad/non existent primer. Again, a second pull of the trigger solves nothing. Second strike capability is a marketing gimmick designed for the average firearms owner, not the informed shooter.
Second strike:
could solve a hard primer problem
Does not solve a class one manlfunction
Does not solve a dead/bad primer issue
Second strike is not an option on all pistols making it a specialized "tactic"
TAP RACK
Solves hard primer problems
Solves class one malfunctions
Solves dead/bad primer issues.
Works on all semi auto pistols making it a UNIVERSAL tactic.
Way to game it Bob...
TDC
mudgunner49
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Since we were quoting LAV earlier on I'll bring this one up. He also stated that "If you're going to treat your pistol like your lawnmower, get a Glock..."
There are folks out there who actually maintain their equipment. the whole "Glock Perfection" is more than a bit of an advertising wet dream...
There are folks out there who actually maintain their equipment. the whole "Glock Perfection" is more than a bit of an advertising wet dream...
"There you go again with the ignorant pro 1911 talk. Even from a gaming stand point the low mag capacity is a handicap. Reloads cost you time so why reload more than necessary? A solid tactic."
Listen you little runt. In IDPA the 1911 .45acp shoots in CDP with a max. mag capacity of 8 + 1 in the chamber. When you shoot IDPA you only shoot against those in your division and at your skill level. Instead of posting the above nonsense why don't you first educate yuorself before you attempt to connect your little grey cells to your fingers.
Accuracy is a function of the shooter, not the gear.
Ya right. Try shooting a bench rest rifle against an off the shelf LE and come and tell me about the gear not mattering.
"Double strike capability?! Where the f*ck did you learn that ignorant a$$ backward "tactic"?"
Who in the f*ck cares about your perception about tactics. I don't.
"Pulling the trigger a second time wastes time and solves nothing. A class one malfunction(click not bang) should be solved with the proverbial IA known as TAP RACK. Here's why. A second pull of the trigger(second strike capability) has the potential to solve only one possible problem, a hard primer. The vast majority of class one malfunctions are due to unseated magazines which means a round was not chambered. That being the case a second pull of the trigger solves nothing. Lets put that aside, say you do have a round chambered. Why attempt to detonate a round that has already proven to be unreliable? The issue is either a hard primer or a bad/non existent primer. Again, a second pull of the trigger solves nothing."
In your opinion.
"Second strike capability is a marketing gimmick designed for the average firearms owner, not the informed shooter."
A blessed are the great unwashed waiting for TCD to come down from the mountatin.
[Way to game it Bob...
Re-read my first sentence.
If I thought you knew anything I wanted to know I would make an appointment. If your telephone isn't ringing it still isn't me.
Take Care
Bob
Listen you little runt. In IDPA the 1911 .45acp shoots in CDP with a max. mag capacity of 8 + 1 in the chamber. When you shoot IDPA you only shoot against those in your division and at your skill level. Instead of posting the above nonsense why don't you first educate yuorself before you attempt to connect your little grey cells to your fingers.
Accuracy is a function of the shooter, not the gear.
Ya right. Try shooting a bench rest rifle against an off the shelf LE and come and tell me about the gear not mattering.
"Double strike capability?! Where the f*ck did you learn that ignorant a$$ backward "tactic"?"
Who in the f*ck cares about your perception about tactics. I don't.
"Pulling the trigger a second time wastes time and solves nothing. A class one malfunction(click not bang) should be solved with the proverbial IA known as TAP RACK. Here's why. A second pull of the trigger(second strike capability) has the potential to solve only one possible problem, a hard primer. The vast majority of class one malfunctions are due to unseated magazines which means a round was not chambered. That being the case a second pull of the trigger solves nothing. Lets put that aside, say you do have a round chambered. Why attempt to detonate a round that has already proven to be unreliable? The issue is either a hard primer or a bad/non existent primer. Again, a second pull of the trigger solves nothing."
In your opinion.
"Second strike capability is a marketing gimmick designed for the average firearms owner, not the informed shooter."
A blessed are the great unwashed waiting for TCD to come down from the mountatin.
[Way to game it Bob...
Re-read my first sentence.
If I thought you knew anything I wanted to know I would make an appointment. If your telephone isn't ringing it still isn't me.
Take Care
Bob
My apologies if your gear is setup based on the "rules" for IDPA. If you're going to game it then I guess it helps to follow the rules. Somehow I don't think there are rules on the street during a defensive shoot. You know, the basis for which IDPA was founded. Regardless, if you're limited to 8+1 then fair enough.
A side note to IDPA. You say you shoot in your division against those with the same skill level. Aside from shooting the same division(CDP for example) wouldn't everyone's skill set come out in the wash. You know, at the end of the day would the scores not reflect the skill set of the shooters regardless of who the shot with?
The IA known as TAP RACK is not my opinion. It is the opinion of a great many well known schools and instructors. I have yet to hear of anyone or any school that does not teach TAP RACK. My opinion or not, you obviously cannot dispute what I've posted. Your ad hominem attack is clear evidence of that. Furthermore, the simple comparison of the two methods clearly illustrates the advantages of TAP RACK over "second strike". However, as you've posted before, IDPA is a game so effective tactics for survival need not apply.
TDC
[B"]My apologies if your gear is setup based on the "rules" for IDPA. If you're going to game it then I guess it helps to follow the rules. Somehow I don't think there are rules on the street during a defensive shoot. You know, the basis for which IDPA was founded. Regardless, if you're limited to 8+1 then fair enough."[/B]
Given I own my guns to shoot IDPA/IPSC why would I set them up for any other purpose? When was the last time a Canadian civilian was involved in a defensive street shoot outside of playing Nintendo?
"A side note to IDPA. You say you shoot in your division against those with the same skill level. Aside from shooting the same division(CDP for example) wouldn't everyone's skill set come out in the wash. You know, at the end of the day would the scores not reflect the skill set of the shooters regardless of who the shot with? "
No you are slotted based upon your time scores shot over the Classifier course of fire. Marksman shoot against Marksman, Masters shoot against Masters, Novice shoot against Novice.
"However, as you've posted before, IDPA is a game so effective tactics for survival need not apply."
See TDC you have got to get out of your dream world and get into reality. Your chances of being in a situation in Canada where you will use your pistol to defend yourself on the street are less than winning the Lottery twice on consecutive draws so why all the emphasis on being Rambo 5?
For those of us who shoot regularly and compete recreationally in IDPA/IPSC do it for relaxation, enjoyment and for the competition it affords outside of our daily life. In addition we get to meet some really fine people who enjoy the sport as well. It is nice to win a dust collector or a 12 cent certificate now and then but only a few win those at any match so rather than being disappointed we didn't "win" we all leave happy we all had a good time. So in fact we all win.
Take Care
Bob
Given I own my guns to shoot IDPA/IPSC why would I set them up for any other purpose? When was the last time a Canadian civilian was involved in a defensive street shoot outside of playing Nintendo?
"A side note to IDPA. You say you shoot in your division against those with the same skill level. Aside from shooting the same division(CDP for example) wouldn't everyone's skill set come out in the wash. You know, at the end of the day would the scores not reflect the skill set of the shooters regardless of who the shot with? "
No you are slotted based upon your time scores shot over the Classifier course of fire. Marksman shoot against Marksman, Masters shoot against Masters, Novice shoot against Novice.
"However, as you've posted before, IDPA is a game so effective tactics for survival need not apply."
See TDC you have got to get out of your dream world and get into reality. Your chances of being in a situation in Canada where you will use your pistol to defend yourself on the street are less than winning the Lottery twice on consecutive draws so why all the emphasis on being Rambo 5?
For those of us who shoot regularly and compete recreationally in IDPA/IPSC do it for relaxation, enjoyment and for the competition it affords outside of our daily life. In addition we get to meet some really fine people who enjoy the sport as well. It is nice to win a dust collector or a 12 cent certificate now and then but only a few win those at any match so rather than being disappointed we didn't "win" we all leave happy we all had a good time. So in fact we all win.
Take Care
Bob
Aside from the laws of physics, you may want to re-read J.C.'s Principles of Personal Defence.
The point to the majority of rules within the sport were born of certain realities - in this case the need for someone carrying CW to remain undetected. It is unlikely the majority of shooters could carry a pistol with a 10 round or larger capacity single stack magazine without printing, so the limit was capped at 8 rounds.
10 round staggered were chosen to level the playing field across the States.
Why not run gear that serves a purpose outside of gaming? As I've posted before, the only requirements for a defensive firearm are ease of operation and reliability. I find it interesting that both characteristics are also well suited for gaming. So why not run gear suited for both? You stated that striker fired pistols were the overall winners last year. I guess tricked out 1911's designed and/or setup for gaming aren't required to win and aren't ideally suited for defensive work either.
Much like the lottery, there still exists the chance of being involved in a defensive situation. In fact, with violent crime on the rise, your chances are increasing by the day.
being slotted based on score sounds like pre scoring? Obviously a novice shooters score will be less than a marksman. So what difference does it make if they shoot on the same relay? Is this another "lets make everyone feel equal" exercise by having them shoot with similarly skilled competitors?
Enjoying a day at the range be it a match or otherwise is always a good thing. Competing with the sole intention of "having fun" is nothing more than justifying ones lack of dedication and/or skill. If you compete or play sports "for fun" or are one of those who believe "its not about winning" you're obviously accustomed to losing. The premise behind COMPETING is to COMPETE Definition: to strive to outdo another for acknowledgment, a prize, supremacy, profit, etc.; engage in a contest; Your whole life is a competition and failing to succeed is to succeed at failure. Playing "for fun" is a losing mindset. You don't have to win the match to be successful. Practicing sound tactics or simply improving your own skill is a win. participating for the social "atmosphere" without any attempt to improve oneself or win is a waste of time.
TDC
ETA: By the way Bob, you stated my position on TAP RACK was just my opinion which you feel is wrong. Please, educate me on why its wrong and what would be the correct tactic learn and apply?
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Aside from the laws of physics, you may want to re-read J.C.'s Principles of Personal Defence.
The point to the majority of rules within the sport were born of certain realities - in this case the need for someone carrying CW to remain undetected. It is unlikely the majority of shooters could carry a pistol with a 10 round or larger capacity single stack magazine without printing, so the limit was capped at 8 rounds.
10 round staggered were chosen to level the playing field across the States.
You are right, a 10 round single stack pistol is not ideal for carry. Which is why the 1911 is less than ideal for defensive work. If you're a grandmaster or whatever your title with your comp'd, weighted, red dot, flared mag well, single stack 10 round 1911 on the range but can't carry concealed with it. Where does that leave you in a defensive situation?
The double stack magazine and pistols that support it are simply the logical progression and/or evolution of combat handguns. The same phenomenon occurred with rifles as well. Only hits count and when you're out of ammo it doesn't matter what you're shooting.
TDC
"Why not run gear that serves a purpose outside of gaming? As I've posted before, the only requirements for a defensive firearm are ease of operation and reliability. I find it interesting that both characteristics are also well suited for gaming. So why not run gear suited for both? You stated that striker fired pistols were the overall winners last year. I guess tricked out 1911's designed and/or setup for gaming aren't required to win and aren't ideally suited for defensive work either."
By your admission they would seem to be.
"Much like the lottery, there still exists the chance of being involved in a defensive situation. In fact, with violent crime on the rise, your chances are increasing by the day."
Until it is legal to carry in this country the crime rate can rise (It has been declining over the last couple of decades) to astonomical heights and I am not going to be involved in a two way shoot out and neither are you.
"being slotted based on score sounds like pre scoring? Obviously a novice shooters score will be less than a marksman. So what difference does it make if they shoot on the same relay? Is this another "lets make everyone feel equal" exercise by having them shoot with similarly skilled competitors?
Rather than go on about a subject you just don't grasp why not go to idpa.com, click on major match results thence anyone of the results for matches listed and you will get a better idea how it works.
"Enjoying a day at the range be it a match or otherwise is always a good thing. Competing with the sole intention of "having fun" is nothing more than justifying ones lack of dedication and/or skill."
TDC you are so young and have so much to learn about life. Save your sermons until you get just a little older and have something intelligent to say.
"If you compete or play sports "for fun" or are one of those who believe "its not about winning" you're obviously accustomed to losing. The premise behind COMPETING is to COMPETE Definition: to strive to outdo another for acknowledgment, a prize, supremacy, profit, etc.; engage in a contest; Your whole life is a competition and failing to succeed is to succeed at failure. Playing "for fun" is a losing mindset. You don't have to win the match to be successful. Practicing sound tactics or simply improving your own skill is a win. participating for the social "atmosphere" without any attempt to improve oneself or win is a waste of time."
PLease re-read my reply above. Not only do you fail to grasp the concept of sports shooting but you fail miserably at understanding why folks compete. Your posts continue to read like they are written by a know it all teenager who has yet to gain the wisdom of his own ignorance.
If you are so dead sure of what you speak of why not do something useful with your knowledge, join the Army, or your lcoal police department and enlighten them with your knowledge of tactics I am sure they will welcome your knowledge with open arms.
Back on my ignore list.
Take Care
Bob
By your admission they would seem to be.
"Much like the lottery, there still exists the chance of being involved in a defensive situation. In fact, with violent crime on the rise, your chances are increasing by the day."
Until it is legal to carry in this country the crime rate can rise (It has been declining over the last couple of decades) to astonomical heights and I am not going to be involved in a two way shoot out and neither are you.
"being slotted based on score sounds like pre scoring? Obviously a novice shooters score will be less than a marksman. So what difference does it make if they shoot on the same relay? Is this another "lets make everyone feel equal" exercise by having them shoot with similarly skilled competitors?
Rather than go on about a subject you just don't grasp why not go to idpa.com, click on major match results thence anyone of the results for matches listed and you will get a better idea how it works.
"Enjoying a day at the range be it a match or otherwise is always a good thing. Competing with the sole intention of "having fun" is nothing more than justifying ones lack of dedication and/or skill."
TDC you are so young and have so much to learn about life. Save your sermons until you get just a little older and have something intelligent to say.
"If you compete or play sports "for fun" or are one of those who believe "its not about winning" you're obviously accustomed to losing. The premise behind COMPETING is to COMPETE Definition: to strive to outdo another for acknowledgment, a prize, supremacy, profit, etc.; engage in a contest; Your whole life is a competition and failing to succeed is to succeed at failure. Playing "for fun" is a losing mindset. You don't have to win the match to be successful. Practicing sound tactics or simply improving your own skill is a win. participating for the social "atmosphere" without any attempt to improve oneself or win is a waste of time."
PLease re-read my reply above. Not only do you fail to grasp the concept of sports shooting but you fail miserably at understanding why folks compete. Your posts continue to read like they are written by a know it all teenager who has yet to gain the wisdom of his own ignorance.
If you are so dead sure of what you speak of why not do something useful with your knowledge, join the Army, or your lcoal police department and enlighten them with your knowledge of tactics I am sure they will welcome your knowledge with open arms.
Back on my ignore list.
Take Care
Bob
There are merits to single stack magazines & the pistols that run them:
1) Pistol designs that are slimmer than pistols running the same caliber in a staggered mag.
2) Profiles of larger caliber guns no larger than smaller caliber ones.
3) Single stack mags are generally more reliable than staggered - especially in adverse conditions.
You are indicating the single stack magazine design is obsolite which is patently false. The above is but a few examples of why the single stack magazine and guns that run them still exist. The Sig Sauer P220 is a prime example of updated pistol technology taking advantage of the single stack mag design.
There are many designs that still use the single stack for reliability when volume is a secondary consideration.
I agree about the hits counting - however this is a product of training and not the type or model of firearm used.
The majority of handgun fights are close in and over within 3.5 seconds according to some statistics, which largely discredits the capacity arguement.
Greenhorse six
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Bob,
Please, before we go any further. Can you argue or debate the tactics I've posted in this thread? Why won't just admit you're a gamer and have no clue what real defensive tactics are. Could you please tell myself and the other lurkers of this thread just what your professional training consists of? You have no issue calling me out and making personal attacks but don't appear to have the testicular fortitude to back it up.
As for your post above this is what I got from it. You shoot for recreation. You aren't concerned with winning(probably because you don't/can't). Until your mother(the government) tells you its okay to defend yourself and think for yourself you'll continue to live your life like the other 95% of sheeple in society who are just a statistic waiting to happen. That being said, I see why you only participate in "sport" shooting.
TDC
