Point Blank Zero to 500 yards
- Thread starter Canadian Bush Wacker
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I don't know many hunters who can reliably pull off a 250 yard shot, never mind 500!
Absolutely.
When you know the range, and you know the ballistics of your rifle/cartridge/bullet, you know if you need to adjust your aiming system and/or where to hold precisely.
Super velocity isn't nearly as important as knowing how to compensate for bullet drop.
standing behind the counter in are shop you would not belive how many guysshot moose at 800 to 1000 yards every year with 308 s and 300wm .most do not have a clue how far 500 yards even is .and most could not even hit a moose at 300 yards DUTCH
Oh come on... 
everyone here knows that wind will not effect a slower velocity round over a higher velocity round even when the BC's are the same...
I'm reading that many do not have as much hunting experience as they would like us to believe or they would know how little time we sometimes have to get the range finder out and range the animal before it decides to vacate the area.
Here's a quote from John Barness in an article published in the Dec 2006 #244 Handloader magazine titled "The Perfect Velocity" were he is promoting 2700fps as the perfect velocity.
"I do some rounds up to 3200fps or even a little more when hunting where a fast shot might have to be made at some distance. This normally occurs on some sort of a trophy hunt, such as a mule deer hunt made in Sonora in winter. There you might get a brief glimpse of a buck, with an even briefer chance to even guess the range, let alone apply a laser rangefinder."
So basically like many here he is saying in this article that 2700fps is the perfect velocity that is until it comes down to needing more velocity taking the guess work out of the shot or going home empty.
everyone here knows that wind will not effect a slower velocity round over a higher velocity round even when the BC's are the same... I'm reading that many do not have as much hunting experience as they would like us to believe or they would know how little time we sometimes have to get the range finder out and range the animal before it decides to vacate the area.
Here's a quote from John Barness in an article published in the Dec 2006 #244 Handloader magazine titled "The Perfect Velocity" were he is promoting 2700fps as the perfect velocity.
"I do some rounds up to 3200fps or even a little more when hunting where a fast shot might have to be made at some distance. This normally occurs on some sort of a trophy hunt, such as a mule deer hunt made in Sonora in winter. There you might get a brief glimpse of a buck, with an even briefer chance to even guess the range, let alone apply a laser rangefinder."
So basically like many here he is saying in this article that 2700fps is the perfect velocity that is until it comes down to needing more velocity taking the guess work out of the shot or going home empty.
I've been out of school for a while, so please bear with me. As I recall, any object will drop about 16 feet in the first second.
So any bullet, regardless of its weight and initial velocity, will drop about 16 feet in the first second after firing. The higher its velocity, the farther it will travel horizontally, but it will still drop the same amount vertically.
8" of vertical drop will occur in about 1/8th of a second, so to limit total drop to 8", the bullet must travel fast enough that it will travel 500 yds (1500 ft) in 1/8th of a second. That means that the bullet must average 12,000 fps (!) to limit drop to 8" over 500 yds.
Maybe I'm missing something to do with trajectory (you know hold over at 100 yds, parabolic flight, etc. In 1/3 of a second it will drop about 24", but that would still require an average velocity of 4500 fps.
Can't be done.
So any bullet, regardless of its weight and initial velocity, will drop about 16 feet in the first second after firing. The higher its velocity, the farther it will travel horizontally, but it will still drop the same amount vertically.
8" of vertical drop will occur in about 1/8th of a second, so to limit total drop to 8", the bullet must travel fast enough that it will travel 500 yds (1500 ft) in 1/8th of a second. That means that the bullet must average 12,000 fps (!) to limit drop to 8" over 500 yds.
Maybe I'm missing something to do with trajectory (you know hold over at 100 yds, parabolic flight, etc. In 1/3 of a second it will drop about 24", but that would still require an average velocity of 4500 fps.
Can't be done.
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Oh come on...
I'm reading that many do not have as much hunting experience as they would like us to believe or they would know how little time we sometimes have to get the range finder out and range the animal before it decides to vacate the area.
Surely someone that professes to have so much hunting and shooting experience would know that it's usually at closer ranges where fast shots are necessary, and what a benefit using a LRF at + 300 yards is?
I don't know about you , but I like to check out an animal before shooting, to make sure it's one I want and/or qualifies as legal. At closer range, this might take a brief moment, but at longer range it often necessitates observing the animal for a period, counting points/estimating size etc. Getting a range with a LRF is a simple click of a button...It's quick and easy.
I haven't hunted in the Sonora in winter recently. You?
Regardless, Barsnes isn't recommending shooting at animals at 400+ yards without checking out the antlers or the distance. He is saying that he prefers a flatter shooting cartridge in SOME situations since he doesn't have time to guess range and it could be 150-350 yards.
I've yet to see Barsnes recommend shooting past 300 yards without estimating range first. Actually, he mostly suggests that 99% of hunters don't have any business shooting past 250-300 yards, which is probably a good idea, as most hunters don't use rangefinders and/or don't know how to properly estimate range of animals.
Incidentally, 3200fps is just a 7mm Remington Magnum or .300WSM or similar cartridges....It's not that big of a deal...
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Not to mention the typical 2-3-ish MOA hunting rifle isn't even capable of making a shot over 500 with enough accuracy to trust the shot, even if the fantasy hunter had the skill to pull off the perfect release.
But we won't stop claiming it. Makes for better barstool stories.
