Pistol Grip - Yay or Nay?
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I thought the same thing. It would be nice to have, and I think there are things that can be done to make the stock reasonable, despite being unconventional.
If I had the money, I'd buy a Hogue stock, chop it in half, mount some fittings to accept the Enidine Shotgun recoil absorber I got for my MESA kit and rebuild the stock. Could be nice.
Two questions.
1.) Have you ever fired a pistol grip shotgun?
2.) Have you ever aimed a pistol gripped shotgun.
*Bonus Question*
For 1000 points, do you still have your front teeth?
Yes, yes and yes to the bonus question. They're nothing fancy but 2 3/4" slugs and 000 bucks without any issues. Shots were on target and it was my first time shooting with it too. It should be obvious to those that are just starting out, not to hold and put the pistol grip too close to the face, but with some caution it's lots of fun and safe. Don't dog it if you haven't tried it.
Cause that has a pistol grip. The idea was to have a conventional stock with a recoil reducer.
Plus I don't like the Knoxx solution with the spring in the pistol grip. I don't like moving parts as part of my grip. This is why I bought the MESA+ENIDINE kit. I love it, but I do prefer the feel of a normal stock and I only bought the MESA kit for the recoil reducer, not so much for the pistol grip.
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You can answer the question yourself.
Put 4 balloons in some trees 15-20 yards or so away. Shoot 4 rounds in 4 seconds from a pistol grip only SG.
Replace any busted ballons and do this again with a full stocked short barrel.
Your score in each configuration will determine the best config for you.
Put 4 balloons in some trees 15-20 yards or so away. Shoot 4 rounds in 4 seconds from a pistol grip only SG.
Replace any busted ballons and do this again with a full stocked short barrel.
Your score in each configuration will determine the best config for you.
The Compstock is basically a conventional Hogue stock with a Knoxx recoil dampening mechanism inside. Call me crazy but I think it would be an easier way to go than cutting up a Hogue stock and trying to make it work with a component not made for the application.
Anyway this is basically what you can expect while shooting a PGO shotgun, no missing teeth, granted that could wind up being a problem anyway if you're as careless with your muzzle pointing as the gentleman in the foreground.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDrV1igi_XE
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I'll call BS. A load of buckshot or slugs have recoil. I don't care how big and tough you are, you shoot either, your gun is going to move. I can fire my hunting shotgun with my arm streched out and one handed with a light field load too. Throw a slug in there and it's a different story. Even my heavy waterfowl loads will rock you pretty good. I don't want to quote this guy, but he sums it better better than I care to.
Anybody wanna borrow my sissy .300 Weatherby and hold it in front of their teeth? I'll film...
Anybody wanna borrow my sissy .300 Weatherby and hold it in front of their teeth? I'll film...
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It's interesting that so many responded positively to either a folder or the Knoxx collapsible stock. Those are my two bear configurations and I do a substantial bit of practice with each, both with buck and slugs. The dilemma is which one to bring!!!!
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wow, this thread really took off! for the record, i went wit the swap. during the day and around camp, i had the full stock on. before bed, i would switch to the pistol grip. can't tell you which actually works better if yogi wants to party, because the only bears we saw were on the side of the highway.
however, from my practicing, i feel pistol grip is best for in the tent. you're not so much aiming then anyways. more shoving the gun into the bear and pulling the trigger. for camp, definitely a full stock, whether that's traditional, Knoxx or folder.
however, from my practicing, i feel pistol grip is best for in the tent. you're not so much aiming then anyways. more shoving the gun into the bear and pulling the trigger. for camp, definitely a full stock, whether that's traditional, Knoxx or folder.
A chap I know shot a polar bear as it was entering the tent. He was sitting up in his sleeping bag. Bear was almost on the muzzle, looking at him. Gun was a 20" 870 12ga, slug load, standard stock. Worked just fine in the confines of the tent. He was a bit stressed, short stroked the pump, fortunately the bear was stone dead. Slug entered at the corner of the eye, ranged back through the brain pan.
Personally, I wouldn't bother with a pistol grip shotgun. Either a fixed or a folder would be better.
Personally, I wouldn't bother with a pistol grip shotgun. Either a fixed or a folder would be better.
Try it yourself before you decide as opposed to anonymous internet opinions.
Set the guidelines of how you think it should carry, perform, and shoot then test it.
That said there are millions of people engaging in outdoor sports every day in Canada without incident. Bear attacks are disproportionately low relative to the number of people engaging in outdoor activities.
This bear defence thing reminds me of "Sharkwater" personally. They are being made out, or assumed to be much greater threats than they are for the average person.
Sure, a guy doing GIS surveying in Alaska, alone in serious bear country might want something to help him sleep better, but Vancouver is literally surrounded by bear country, and most of the suburban communities of Van have green spaces with bear, and I cannot recall a recent mauling incident. Putting biases aside, there must be something to the whole make noise, pack your food away safely, bear bell thing, as people are mtn biking, hiking, camping, adventure racing, and kayaking like never before in BC with very few incidents, while I could drive 30-60 minutes from the city centre and find bear quite easily.
From another forum with 100% legit poster as an interesting FYI:
"The US forest service has done extensive study on bear behavior, OC for bears, and guns against bears. I have been involved in all aspects of that from the beginning.
Almost everything you hear or read is personal opinion based on either no or very limited data points.
Looking at all the data for 100 years presents a very different story.
For bear defense it cannot be shown that the type or caliber matters, people that shoot back with anything win, people that don't shoot back many times lose. All calibers and action types have been used. Handguns are almost always used at mauling distance. Longarms at 25 yards to dead at your feet.
There is no evidence to support 44 over 357, revolvers are more reliable at contact distance but people have won with semi-autos (but the data pool is very small, as it grows we would at some point start to see malfunctions)
A good revolver in 357 or 44 with powerful solids made to go deep and not deflect is probably the best answer for carry. The pump shotgun still has more kills of grizzly than anything in defense, believe it or not with OO buck, though common wisdom nowadays is use brenneke slugs. Pre WWII 90%+ of the kills were OO."
Set the guidelines of how you think it should carry, perform, and shoot then test it.
That said there are millions of people engaging in outdoor sports every day in Canada without incident. Bear attacks are disproportionately low relative to the number of people engaging in outdoor activities.
This bear defence thing reminds me of "Sharkwater" personally. They are being made out, or assumed to be much greater threats than they are for the average person.
Sure, a guy doing GIS surveying in Alaska, alone in serious bear country might want something to help him sleep better, but Vancouver is literally surrounded by bear country, and most of the suburban communities of Van have green spaces with bear, and I cannot recall a recent mauling incident. Putting biases aside, there must be something to the whole make noise, pack your food away safely, bear bell thing, as people are mtn biking, hiking, camping, adventure racing, and kayaking like never before in BC with very few incidents, while I could drive 30-60 minutes from the city centre and find bear quite easily.
From another forum with 100% legit poster as an interesting FYI:
"The US forest service has done extensive study on bear behavior, OC for bears, and guns against bears. I have been involved in all aspects of that from the beginning.
Almost everything you hear or read is personal opinion based on either no or very limited data points.
Looking at all the data for 100 years presents a very different story.
For bear defense it cannot be shown that the type or caliber matters, people that shoot back with anything win, people that don't shoot back many times lose. All calibers and action types have been used. Handguns are almost always used at mauling distance. Longarms at 25 yards to dead at your feet.
There is no evidence to support 44 over 357, revolvers are more reliable at contact distance but people have won with semi-autos (but the data pool is very small, as it grows we would at some point start to see malfunctions)
A good revolver in 357 or 44 with powerful solids made to go deep and not deflect is probably the best answer for carry. The pump shotgun still has more kills of grizzly than anything in defense, believe it or not with OO buck, though common wisdom nowadays is use brenneke slugs. Pre WWII 90%+ of the kills were OO."
