Heckler & Koch's HK416

6-10k to punch holes in paper? Is that really worth it!
I have a hard time justifying paying 2000 for a rifle I can only take to the range
All rifles should be Non Rest!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
 
I bought an LMT piston CQBMRP. I like the quick change barrel system and the MRP platform. Fairly light for a piston gun. For the price of the HK, I also got a TR338R ACOG for my LMT too.
 
capp325 said:
... the 416 has already proven itself to be a reliable system while Ruger is yet to do so.

As with most things in life, you get what you pay for.
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On the contrary, Norwegian soldiers were reported having problems with their 416s earlier this year.

As quoted from theFirearmsblog.com:

TheFirearmsBlog said:
Tanfo, a Norwegian soldier, reports at the ar15.com forum that they have been having problems with their new HK416 rifles.


Norwegian configured HK416 with suppressor.


One of the problems is that the piston system locks up if the gun is taken outdoors from a warm building when the humidity in the air freezes in the Norwegian arctic conditions. The C8 (Colt Canada full-auto AR-15) that is used by the Norwegian special forces also has this problem but can be fixed in a much more timely manner than the HK416.

Apparently the gas regulator, which that controls the amount of gas flowing into the gas piston system, often switches modes during firing. The gun will not function properly if set to the suppressor mode if a suppressor is not being used.
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One of the problems is that the piston system locks up if the gun is taken outdoors from a warm building when the humidity in the air freezes in the Norwegian arctic conditions. The C8 (Colt Canada full-auto AR-15) that is used by the Norwegian special forces also has this problem but can be fixed in a much more timely manner than the HK416.
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Sounds to me like operator error, using the wrong lube.
 
Pages could be wrote about the Norwegian HK416 thing. The gun was modified to have an adjustable gas system. They have taken a proven system and messed with it and as a result are having growing pains.

I am under the belief that you can take a Sig Sauer 556 lower and pin it on to a Swiss Arms upper. Pretty sure there is no fitting required but I could be wrong.

Once again this has turned into a "I would have 4 of this for the price of 1 HK". You could also buy a norinco and if you are lucky might get one that is running good and will work fine.

One other point I'd like to bring up:

PARTS,

The reality is that if a said company is bringing in guns directly from Europe the restriction on parts, especially for "civilian products" (MR223/MR556/HKSL8/Swiss Arms ect) is not an issue. Sit back and wait for more and more restrictions on AR parts coming out of the US. The day may come (in the near future) that you will not be able to get any parts out of the US. Those European sourced guns might look pretty good. A friend of mine ordered a ton of small parts for his HKSL8, it took a while but he got every thing he ordered with no hassles.

Rich
 
Page 42 of the HK MR223 operator's manual specifies that lubrication is to be applied to the anterior portion of the gas piston.
 
Starscream said:
IIRC it's a problem encountered with all gas operated guns.

Also, I don't think you're supposed to lube a gas piston directly either.
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The problem wasn't so much that it happened, (internals freezing) but that because the gas piston was not connected to the forward assist, they couldn't do the old "boot + charging handle" trick to free up the internals.

The rifle needs to be taken apart to clear the frozen piston.
 
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