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Ftaview said:
I would suggest you guys read here

http://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/pub/bsf5044-eng.html#P012

I quoted what was written there, but you can now read it yourselves

no oil required.....

I can buy a box of 45ACP for 14 bucks, in the US, instead of 28 bucks here at LeBarons, and I have yet to have issues bringing it home....

to each his own....

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You have continually missed the point. It is NOT CANADIAN laws that are the problem (as you pointed out in your link), it is US EXPORT laws.

There ARE random export checks at the Buffalo crossings and several members of this board have said they have been stopped before they LEAVE the US. If you are found trying to SMUGGLE controlled munitions out of the US, you will be detained. If they are in a bad mood, you will spend a couple days in jail, loose your car, and be BANNED from entering the US.

If they are having a good day, you will loose your ammo, and still be banned from the US.

Is it worth $20?
 
SandRoad said:
OK, TECHNICALLY you are correct, you can BUY a pistol but you CAN'T TAKE POSSESSION of it in the US. What you are actually doing is really just going through an exporter and paying for it in person.

In fact, if you were to take a look at the paperwork that Buffalo Gun Center does I will bet that it has that the pistol is documented as is being sold for export, and not to a person in the US.

Funny but you can BORROW a gun in the US if you have a hunting license.

I also doubt the export fee is still at $100. The export licence fees were recently increased, and they now have to pay 3% of the value of the exported firearm in addition to their annual licence. My guess would be somewhere around $200.
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Absolutely correct, you cannot take possesion of the gun in the US, they drive it to the border and hand it to you there, you pay your Canadian taxes, and duties, and you take it home, no problem at all, the last time the Border patrol guys didn't even come out to look at the firearm, no interest to them at all, call in a few days prior to get your temp ATT, so you can legally take it home from the border, and this is done over the phone (well it was the last time).

As of January the cost was still $100 for the store to do the paper work, and $50 for each additional firearm (pistol) what it is currently today I don't know, best is to call them and ask.
 
SandRoad said:
You have continually missed the point. It is NOT CANADIAN laws that are the problem (as you pointed out in your link), it is US EXPORT laws.

There ARE random export checks at the Buffalo crossings and several members of this board have said they have been stopped before they LEAVE the US. If you are found trying to SMUGGLE controlled munitions out of the US, you will be detained. If they are in a bad mood, you will spend a couple days in jail, loose your car, and be BANNED from entering the US.

If they are having a good day, you will loose your ammo, and still be banned from the US.

Is it worth $20?
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I have not....missed the point

read post #20

Thanks
 
Ftaview said:
you did not read the last line in my post here -

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showpost.php?p=3364085&postcount=7

Unfortunately the US rules and regs, change more times than I do my underwear,,,,,,...:D
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Ftaview said:
I have not....missed the point

read post #20

Thanks
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Nope,

Any NIA (Non Immigrant Alien) in the US can purchace and possess ammo as long as they have a hunting licence from any state. This has NOT changed. The AFT probably went around scaring all the vendors when they did their annual inspections, so now the vendors just don't sell to Canadians, "just to be safe".

If a Canadian was found smuggling ammo OUT of the US without a US Export Permit, the store would more than likely also be scrutinized. They don't need that hassle just for a few hundred dollars in sales.

Bottom line is that ammo can't be exported by ANYONE, unless they have an export permit. (a couple exemptions for US citizens/permanent residents going hunting in another country)

(Just want to make sure that posted info is correct, so someone doesn't take it incorrect comments the wrong way)
 
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From the AFT:
Purchasing a firearm or ammunition
from a Federal Firearms Licensee (FFL)
for exportation
❖ A nonimmigrant alien generally MAY purchase a
firearm or ammunition from an FFL if the firearm/
ammunition is directly exported by the FFL, so that
the nonimmigrant alien DOES NOT take possession
of the firearm/ammunition in the United
States prior to exportation.
 
Ftaview said:
I would suggest you guys read here

http://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/pub/bsf5044-eng.html#P012

I quoted what was written there, but you can now read it yourselves

no oil required.....

I can buy a box of 45ACP for 14 bucks, in the US, instead of 28 bucks here at LeBarons, and I have yet to have issues bringing it home....

to each his own....

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You HAVE Totally missed the point..........

The CGN policy on Imports/Exports is that the Regulations of both Canada AND the U.S. MUST be followed when you are posting on this board.

According U.S. Regulations, you CAN NOT legally buy OR possess ammunition in the U.S. without proper Prior authorization.

You CAN NOT legally export ammunition out of the U.S. without proper export permits.

As Stated, it is NOT Canadian Law, BUT U.S. Law that is the issue here.

YOU have admitted to violating U.S. Export regulations, which in turn is a violation of CGN policy..............

So this is your warning...DO NOT post about your illegal cross border shopping activities. Period. End of Story. If you continue, you risk infractions, or even a suspension/Ban from CGN.

The U.S. Agencies do roving border spot checks........if you are caught (and some have been), you can be held in jail for up to 30 days without being charged, and have your car,goods,possessions seized...............is this worth it to save a few dollars???

Many U.S. retailers have Federal authorties monitoring thier businesses for Non-U.S. Residents buying firearms related goods.........the gunshop in Washington State where I used to buy reloading supplies is one of them........The U.S. Agencies also Monitor firearms sites such as this one.


SKBY.
 
Skullboy said:
You HAVE Totally missed the point..........

The CGN policy on Imports/Exports is that the Regulations of both Canada AND the U.S. MUST be followed when you are posting on this board.

According U.S. Regulations, you CAN NOT legally buy OR possess ammunition in the U.S. without proper Prior authorization.

You CAN NOT legally export ammunition out of the U.S. without proper export permits.

As Stated, it is NOT Canadian Law, BUT U.S. Law that is the issue here.

YOU have admitted to violating U.S. Export regulations, which in turn is a violation of CGN policy..............

So this is your warning...DO NOT post about your illegal cross border shopping activities. Period. End of Story. If you continue, you risk infractions, or even a suspension/Ban from CGN.

The U.S. Agencies do roving border spot checks........if you are caught (and some have been), you can be held in jail for up to 30 days without being charged, and have your car,goods,possessions seized...............is this worth it to save a few dollars???

Many U.S. retailers have Federal authorties monitoring thier businesses for Non-U.S. Residents buying firearms related goods.........the gunshop in Washington State where I used to buy reloading supplies is one of them........The U.S. Agencies also Monitor firearms sites such as this one.


SKBY.
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PM sent to you SKBY

and

just to clarify I have never violated any laws, nor did I do any illegal cross border shopping.

Thanks
 
Ftaview said:
PM sent to you SKBY

and

just to clarify I have never violated any laws, nor did I do any illegal cross border shopping.

Thanks
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Really? You sure seem to be in your previous posts.

Ftaview said:
Paper work is only needed for the purchase of firearms !!

No paper work is needed for ammunition, but unfortunately the US stores will not sell it to you, unless they are really nice, or don't know about the law...

If you walk in to the store, grab the ammo, bring it to the cashier, pay in US dollars, and don't look like a Canadian, they have no idea.....don't give them a reason to ask what your citizenship is......
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Ftaview said:
I would suggest you guys read here

http://cbsa-asfc.gc.ca/publications/pub/bsf5044-eng.html#P012

I quoted what was written there, but you can now read it yourselves

no oil required.....

I can buy a box of 45ACP for 14 bucks, in the US, instead of 28 bucks here at LeBarons, and I have yet to have issues bringing it home....

to each his own....

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not only thrown under the bus but hit with a red flag for the whole world to see. nice one guys. any mod should have deleted it the second it got posted and a nice pm to the individual to prevent future postings of illegal activity would have been sufficient.
 
SKULLBOY;
Well said, I don't know how many times every week I am asked the same questions....

NOT CANADIAN LAW, it is the laws under Homeland Security in the USA that one should be concerned about....

These people have no sense of humour at all....

I guess these Canadian "importers" will learn, the hard way....
John
 
PM Replied to......

And just for general knowledge, These U.S. Export regulations/restrictions are not some new as some are leading you to believe.......

The current U.S. Regulations/restrictions have been in place for several years............and they keep tightening......
 
johnone said:
SKULLBOY;
Well said, I don't know how many times every week I am asked the same questions....

NOT CANADIAN LAW, it is the laws under Homeland Security in the USA that one should be concerned about....

These people have no sense of humour at all....

I guess these Canadian "importers" will learn, the hard way....
John
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The sad thing is, that these individuals who try to bypass the system to save a dollar or two, end up making it harder on the rest of us when they are caught as then the U.S. tightens their Export regulations even more........pretty soon NOTHING firearm related will be allowed out of the U.S....
 
How about this:

Ignore the stuff above.

Ignore the stuff below.

Call the BATF and U.S. Customs and Immigration. Tell them you're a Canadian Citizen. You're travelling to the U.S. to buy ammo, give them the calibers and quantity you want to bring back, and you'll get your answer.

I'd tell my experiences and answers I have received but there seems to be too may "experts" here who think they know better yet have no affiliation or relationship with the proper government agencies, never called or purchased ammo in the U.S. to bring back, and only want to disagree with what's written here.

Bottomline, find out for yourself, and ignore everyone else's answers.
 
ki11ercane said:
How about this:

Ignore the stuff above.

Ignore the stuff below.

Call the BATF and U.S. Customs and Immigration. Tell them you're a Canadian Citizen. You're travelling to the U.S. to buy ammo, give them the calibers and quantity you want to bring back, and you'll get your answer.

I'd tell my experiences and answers I have received but there seems to be too may "experts" here who think they know better yet have no affiliation or relationship with the proper government agencies, never called or purchased ammo in the U.S. to bring back, and only want to disagree with what's written here.

Bottomline, find out for yourself, and ignore everyone else's answers.
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BATF = Internal U.S. Firearms and related issues

U.S. Customs Doesn't know a lot about the Export Regulations regarding firearms/ammunition....

Call the U.S. State Dept, or the U.S. Commerce Dept regarding the Export of Ammunition and related firearms items.....
 
ki11ercane said:
How about this:

Ignore the stuff above.

Ignore the stuff below.

Call the BATF and U.S. Customs and Immigration. Tell them you're a Canadian Citizen. You're travelling to the U.S. to buy ammo, give them the calibers and quantity you want to bring back, and you'll get your answer.

Bottomline, find out for yourself, and ignore everyone else's answers.
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That is the BIGGEST problem, if you don't happen to get to the CORRECT agency/department/person, then your answer will be worse than useless. You will end up finding out the correct answer when Homeland Security or CBP does a US exit check on you, and then it is too late.

There are hundreds of thousands of import/export rules and regulations, so don't expect to get any kind of correct answer, unless you ask the correct person, the correct question .

The proper agencies to contact are BOTH Department of State and US Department of Commerce. Not all items are handled by one agency. (for example, shotgun exports are administered by Commerce Dept)
 
SandRoad said:
That is the BIGGEST problem, if you don't happen to get to the CORRECT agency/department/person, then your answer will be worse than useless. You will end up finding out the correct answer when Homeland Security or CBP does a US exit check on you, and then it is too late.

There are hundreds of thousands of import/export rules and regulations, so don't expect to get any kind of correct answer, unless you ask the correct person, the correct question .

The proper agencies to contact are BOTH Department of State and US Department of Commerce. Not all items are handled by one agency. (for example, shotgun exports are administered by Commerce Dept)
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This is the best post to date in this thread.......Please take note of what SR is saying.:)

SKBY.
 
####...not again!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

It the US laws you're breaking. Read up or shut the #### up. You;re giving out bad advice.


Honestly mods...how many of these god damn threads do we need. :mad:

Ftaview said:
not true either, according to the Canada Border Services Agency



The hard part now is to get someone to sell you the ammo in the states, it is their regulations that prohibit ammo to be sold to Canadian residents, last year this was not the case.....
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Skullboy said:

YOU have admitted to violating U.S. Export regulations, which in turn is a violation of CGN policy..............

Many U.S. retailers have Federal authorties monitoring thier businesses for Non-U.S. Residents buying firearms related goods.........the gunshop in Washington State where I used to buy reloading supplies is one of them........The U.S. Agencies also Monitor firearms sites such as this one.
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Unless you're talking about something that happened many, many years ago (before the current regulations were in place), you have also "admitted to violating U.S. Export regulations, which in turn is a violation of CGN policy"
Exporting reloading supplies (brass, bullets, primers, powder) out of US is just as illegal as exporting ammo.

Export checks out of US are not designed to catch and detain people exporting small quantities of ammo for personal use. Most agents working there realize that and will only give you a "warning" if they catch you. This doesnt mean that anybody should take the chance, as they COULD (in theory) give you A LOT of trouble.
 
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