Are outfitters just not getting it?

hmmm you come after me for making an unintentional racial comment and I haven't seen anyone else in this thread refer to anyone like you just did I'm thinking you should change the wording before your fellow Islanders get upset with you... :D



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Sorry Camp Cook, that last paragraph wasn't directed at you, but laughingfool.:)
 
Go easy by, yu'll work yourself into a proper lather. Look 4 was about as good as it got. 5-6 being the norm. I like a moose but you all just aint worth it. Lets say you go middle at 5 G's. You add 1500 to that for travel,ferry,Oh you's likes yer tips to bys. You starting to kick at an african safari (plains game only of course) but even still do you think that maybe the fact that your approaching african prices,we're in a recession,etc etc just might, I say just might be part of the reason the C.O. tells my guide at the restaurant that they could'nt move 2800 tags. Now IF I got to say the number again someone may get the impression your a little _ _ _ _.

I've got a sense of humour and can laugh at myself as well as the next Newfoundlander. However, I don't have as high a tolerance for bull$hit as I once had either. The above is more than a little offensive.

You say you're a welder by trade. Most welders I know are easily making in excess of $75-$100K, again depending on qualifications/certification....and you continue to ##### about paying $1500 (your figure...I've never spent that much to drive to Edmonton and back personally) for travel by personal auto to the Island for your hunt? Then you make a snide comment about guides "liking" tips as if this was something exclusive to Newfoundland Outfitters and compare a Newfoundland guided hunt to costing the same/more than an African Safari???:bsFlag:

If you begrudge tipping a guide a couple hundred bucks as a gratuity for working their arse off for you trudging across bogs, barrens and fighting their way through tuckamores and having to pay the gas to drive here, I seriously doubt you're ever going to stomach the $2500-$3000 return airfare will run you to most African locales, not to mention the thousands more in trophy fees, plus thousands for taxidermy and thousands more for shipment of said trophies to Canada. That blows that part of your argument out of the water...oh, many African Outfitters expect you to tip the guides/trackers also, unless those tips are already built into the cost of your hunt.

Also, if you personally feel that a guided Newfoundland Moose hunt doesn't offer you good value for the money, why not take your money elsewhere? Is there another province or outfitter who can offer essentially a 95%+ success rate on moose for under $4000.00? Remember me mentioning Jim Shockey? Last I heard his Yukon moose hunts were a bargain at something like $12,000.00??? (ballpark figure!).

I'm still waiting for a link to the quoted number of 2800 returned licenses this/last year...other than hearsay that a supposed CO told your guide in a restaurant. I know a fair number of COs and most of them certainly wouldn't have any sort of exact figures memorized dealing with that issue...sadly, the way the current dept. is organized, far more attention is paid to the forestry aspect and angling than it is to hunting and wildlife management.

Finally, why not post the name of the Outfitter and guide that you dealt with in the past? I may know them and I'd certainly like to have a chat with them to get their side of the story, because you're certainly painting a one-sided and quite negative picture of my home province.

I'm not defending all Outfitters either. I'm sure some are the biggest arseholes you'll ever run into, just like in any other province. In fact, I had my own run-in with one particular outfitter in the Northwest Gander area of Area 64, Middle Ridge a few years back while hunting for Caribou, Moose and Black Bear.

He didn't like the fact that my father, brother and I had the audacity to hunt way back in the bush, a hundred miles from the nearest paved road, on Crown Land and in supposed "direct competition" with his clients. (At the time, Caribou populations were still quite high).

The asshat actually had his chopper pilot buzz the caribou herd we had been stalking on a number of occasions and scatter the herd on us. At the time there were plenty of animals to go around and we hadn't interfered with his clients at all...in fact, we had helped his guide out of a jamb with one of his ATVs. The chopper buzzing was how that particular Outfitter chose to thank us. He was most definitely an arsehole and if you booked with him, then you have my apologies and condolences!:D

On the other hand, the German couple he was hosting, were very nice people and were pleased as punch when I used the horrendous German I had picked up in my first year university German course at Memorial University. Interestingly enough, they resided not far from a wonderful hotel I stayed in during a trip to Europe some years ago while on holiday!
 
where did I say awful?

Originally Posted by laughingfool
Bed, food,license,18 year old to go out and walk around with you. Dont differ on this one too much biys,cause I wuz dare, I knows.
Amd on the ferry ride back that was the typical sentiment


I apologize if I misread your experience as positive. :rolleyes:

So, I have had bad dealings with dis-honest people (lying outfitters), And I am the f**k that should go play in traffic??

Your the tool that should be playing blindfolded frogger!
Happy to see you got the spellcheck working !!! :)
 
Geez, X-man,

Paying to go out with Jim Shockey, is like paying to get your basement bathroom redone by Bob Villa. You can do it, but maybe you are paying more for the name than for the work, if you know what I mean. :D

There's pretty much nothing, nowhere, that I need in my house bad enough to pay outfitters rate for, knock-down bargain or no. My limit is about an eight hour drive, and whatever a weeks groceries will set me back, and even at that rate, I had better be in company I want to be in, or I'll stick to whatever is local, thanks.

Cheers
Trev
 
My friend just purchased an outfitter business last year, profit margin is not very large. Lots of work is required and your days start at 5am and end at 7 or 8pm if your lucky.

I know you need an Outfitter if you an American but is one required for hunting in any of the different provinces or territories? I'm not sure that's why I'm asking.


In MB if you are canadian you don't need an outfitter , if you are a foriegner you need an outfitter , or you no gonna hunt :)
 
I've got a sense of humour and can laugh at myself as well as the next Newfoundlander. However, I don't have as high a tolerance for bull$hit as I once had either. The above is more than a little offensive.

You say you're a welder by trade. Most welders I know are easily making in excess of $75-$100K, again depending on qualifications/certification....and you continue to ##### about paying $1500 (your figure...I've never spent that much to drive to Edmonton and back personally) for travel by personal auto to the Island for your hunt? Then you make a snide comment about guides "liking" tips as if this was something exclusive to Newfoundland Outfitters and compare a Newfoundland guided hunt to costing the same/more than an African Safari???:bsFlag:

If you begrudge tipping a guide a couple hundred bucks as a gratuity for working their arse off for you trudging across bogs, barrens and fighting their way through tuckamores and having to pay the gas to drive here, I seriously doubt you're ever going to stomach the $2500-$3000 return airfare will run you to most African locales, not to mention the thousands more in trophy fees, plus thousands for taxidermy and thousands more for shipment of said trophies to Canada. That blows that part of your argument out of the water...oh, many African Outfitters expect you to tip the guides/trackers also, unless those tips are already built into the cost of your hunt.

Also, if you personally feel that a guided Newfoundland Moose hunt doesn't offer you good value for the money, why not take your money elsewhere? Is there another province or outfitter who can offer essentially a 95%+ success rate on moose for under $4000.00? Remember me mentioning Jim Shockey? Last I heard his Yukon moose hunts were a bargain at something like $12,000.00??? (ballpark figure!).

I'm still waiting for a link to the quoted number of 2800 returned licenses this/last year...other than hearsay that a supposed CO told your guide in a restaurant. I know a fair number of COs and most of them certainly wouldn't have any sort of exact figures memorized dealing with that issue...sadly, the way the current dept. is organized, far more attention is paid to the forestry aspect and angling than it is to hunting and wildlife management.

Finally, why not post the name of the Outfitter and guide that you dealt with in the past? I may know them and I'd certainly like to have a chat with them to get their side of the story, because you're certainly painting a one-sided and quite negative picture of my home province.

I'm not defending all Outfitters either. I'm sure some are the biggest arseholes you'll ever run into, just like in any other province. In fact, I had my own run-in with one particular outfitter in the Northwest Gander area of Area 64, Middle Ridge a few years back while hunting for Caribou, Moose and Black Bear.

He didn't like the fact that my father, brother and I had the audacity to hunt way back in the bush, a hundred miles from the nearest paved road, on Crown Land and in supposed "direct competition" with his clients. (At the time, Caribou populations were still quite high).

The asshat actually had his chopper pilot buzz the caribou herd we had been stalking on a number of occasions and scatter the herd on us. At the time there were plenty of animals to go around and we hadn't interfered with his clients at all...in fact, we had helped his guide out of a jamb with one of his ATVs. The chopper buzzing was how that particular Outfitter chose to thank us. He was most definitely an arsehole and if you booked with him, then you have my apologies and condolences!:D

On the other hand, the German couple he was hosting, were very nice people and were pleased as punch when I used the horrendous German I had picked up in my first year university German course at Memorial University. Interestingly enough, they resided not far from a wonderful hotel I stayed in during a trip to Europe some years ago while on holiday!


I'd love to comment, but unfortunately your post goes all the way from a skockey yukon siras hunt to a getting buzzed by chopper admitted crap hunt on the rock. Personally mine (a small part) was being charged an extra 3 g's for bou then spending the week hiding under balsam every time an aircraft went over cause the outfitter was hunting out of his zone


QUOTE,,,PPPPSSSSSTTTT OK today if you see a caribou, dont shoot him if he's big, only small and real close to a tree line so we cant be seen from above


Look I'll say it again. Just see how the outfitters are doing after 2009

When all you do is walk a boat for around 6 hrs, not talking, just listening you know how much you can hear? Frikin tons man. And I'm telling you straight. I'll admit openly.NOT ALL BAD !!!!!. More bad than good though. Its the truth so sorry I got to say it. One group from michigan of I believe 4,maybe 5, actually called back home from NFLD to have some one call and book a table at the next sports show so they could set up an anti NFLD booth. Now you just know that one went beyond bad


PS. let me help you with that 75-100 G welder part. If your in a small community thats had nearly all the industries closed and farmers are barely hanging on, you arent making that chum

PSS. Did my first safari all in for just less than 7. Please remember that all those extras above the hunt cost in africa are for the most part also there in an NFLD hunt
 
Where is that bull$hit detector gif when you need it? I see that you still haven't named the outfitter and guide in question. You did admit to participating in illegal hunting activities, however. Why didn't you call the outfitter/guide on that immediately instead of willingly going along with it? Why didn't you report it to Wildlife? You still haven't identified other provinces offering a 95%+ success rate Moose hunt under $4000.00 either. $7000.00 for an African Safari...doable, but sure as heck doesn't include trophy fees, taxidermy and shipping costs. What Outfitter did you book with, in what year and what country? BTW: Local welders are pulling down big bucks working for local companies supplying product to the petroleum industry in Alberta and offshore. My brother, incidentally, is a welder and works in the Alberta oilpatch. If you have the skills and the get-up-and-go, there are lots of opportunities these days for the skilled trades. Makes a lot more sense than getting an Arts degree these days!
 
I'm in BC my best friend is a gifted welder he was laid off last Friday, things are definately not as good as they used to be.

I just got off the phone from talking with him he doesn't know what he is going to do for work now... :(

Thanks X-man I am going to call him back and have him start looking for work in Alberta if there is so much work there he shouldn't have any problem getting a job.

edit to add;

He just told me that one company in our area in BC that had 200 full time welders/mechanics are now down to 25 employees resulting in all of these guys trying to get jobs and this was only one company.

I'm thinking it is tougher out there than many think...
 
I don't know where all these figures are coming from, but just because one outfitter f**ked you over, doesn't mean they are all dishonest.

I went last fall, had a great time, and spent $3900. That included:

- Outfitter cost (including tag and non-res license and all meals while at the camp),
- butchering costs (cut/deboned/vac-packed),
- my water/beer/pop for the week,
- gas to NFLD and back to Ontario,
- 1 night in a motel on the way down,
- 3-4 meals on the road,
- ferry costs both ways,
- and 1 nights rent for a bunk on the ferry on the way back.
- modest tip for the guide

I have a hard time believing that their fees have doubled since October...Don't bother asking for the outfitter's name, because I wouldn't subject him to you...
 
Outfitters are small, usually seasonal, businessmen. They have to cover their costs and make a profit. They're used to eating too.
 
One's getting it. Smart feller. Think I'll go with him,he's got a brain, peach of a looking spot to. that makes a do-able 4 G's all in

Hi _ _ _ _,
The price for a moose hunt for this coming fall is $2800.00, licence fee, and tax included. This is a reduced rate, since I still have a few licences left to sell.
For info and pics from previous hunts, check oput my website at W W W YOU GUYS GET THE REST DOT COM. Is it just you, or a group? Just get back to me if you decide to book, and we can arrange the dates, etc. Thanks _ _ _ ...hopefully we will be hunting together in the fall!!!

To the nay sayers of possible tags left over I say if you want your gov to give you a chance and their not or you want less non res hunters, tough cookie nookie, there was and is spares
 
there was and is spares

There has been extras for the last four years. Has nothing to do with the recession. Our outfitter bought 12 extra tags last fall alone, on top of his max allotment.

NFLD gives out a pile of tags anyway, around 28000/year, which is 2.5x as many as Ontario gives out, and they still have more moose...
 
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