In Austria, when the collecting of WW II German metals started, a originial contractor for the WW II German government, dusted off his dies and started making metals and badges again. The dies, stamps, etc, were originial, but he substituted sapphires for diamonds.
GERMAN MEDALS at garage sale
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I guess since Stalins paranoia enabled him to order the murder of hundreds of thousands of his own citizens/subjects, that makes every Russian a scum sucking pile of cat vomit???
Guess they had better take the "Hero of the Soviet Union" medal away from Zaitsev because he was nothing more than a dirty Bolshevik...
BTW: To paint a brush over all the SS as "murderers", would be too simple. I agree that overall the "Allgemeine-SS" has been at the core of most of the atrocities perpetrated by the 3rd Reich, but there are also the Waffen SS (Fighting SS) Divisions that were famous and also infamous for good deeds and bad... Don't be tricked into thinking that the Wehrmacht was "pure" either. They detested the SS mainly because the Wehrmacht was a (Prussian) stuck up, apolitical, behemoth that did not want any competition for being top dog in Germany. The Wehrmacht committed many atrocities as well and definitely helped with the "Endlosung" Final Solution, though usually limited to Military Police actions. "Try reading: Ordinary Men - Reserve Police Battalion 101 and the Final Solution in Poland".
Let those who committed barbarous acts be prosecuted accordingly, in this life or the next.
But let all the old soldiers keep their medals, and let's stop bad mouthing the sacrifices they made for their country. Even if they did end up on the wrong side.
Why did you post a photo of the SD, not the SS or the Herr(Army), hanging Russian Partisans?
They don't look like partisans to me, they look like hostages/reprisal victims. Many orders were given by the Wehrmacht & SS that 10, 50, 100 local residents would be executed for every german soldier killed by partisans or even for attacks against infrastructure like railways. This was done even in Italy and France.
Sure, we used gas, we bombed cities, we shot germans trying to surrender.
The difference is chum, you know who did it FIRST.
PS to all those with "rommel" in their monikers...read "Rommel's War in Africa"; it's written by a German. Rommel was Nazi like the rest of them, he didn't even have the nuts to join the real July 20th conspirators, but hung around on the sidelines waiting to see which way the wind blew. You have to understand the propaganda around Rommel, on both sides.
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While the SS is painted as the villians they were not the only ones, When they needed help in wiping out villages they called on the Whermacht and there were no dissenters.
We firebombed the japs? Guess what, they started that, and what they did in China would make a rat puke, not to mention what they did to our people who surrendered. Or have you forgotton the live vivisection of American and British pow's or the germ warfare experiments? Just how many Americans would have had to die if we had been forced to invade japan? For that matter, how many of you would be here today if your fathers had been with the invasion of japan?
I have to agree with RRco, Russians were regarded by the germans as "untermensch" ie; subhuman, and treated as such. You want me to have sympathy for the germans who herded entire villages into barns and then set the building on fire? You want me to have sympatrhy for the people who ran Auschwitz, Treblinka, Oranienberg, Dachau,Mauthausen, Sachsenhausen, and lots of others? You want me to excuse the rape of Poland, and Czechoslovakia? Do you actualy think the French attacked germany? (either time)?????
We often hear about the 6 million Jews, but forget that were more than 6 million others, Catholics, gypsies, trade unionists, and untold numbers of russians. All the while those photographs of happy germans lining the streets for hitlers parades. Yah dere vas no nazi's , well, I have a copy of Deutchland Erwacht (2nd edition) and all the photos in it must then be fakes.!
We firebombed the japs? Guess what, they started that, and what they did in China would make a rat puke, not to mention what they did to our people who surrendered. Or have you forgotton the live vivisection of American and British pow's or the germ warfare experiments? Just how many Americans would have had to die if we had been forced to invade japan? For that matter, how many of you would be here today if your fathers had been with the invasion of japan?
I have to agree with RRco, Russians were regarded by the germans as "untermensch" ie; subhuman, and treated as such. You want me to have sympathy for the germans who herded entire villages into barns and then set the building on fire? You want me to have sympatrhy for the people who ran Auschwitz, Treblinka, Oranienberg, Dachau,Mauthausen, Sachsenhausen, and lots of others? You want me to excuse the rape of Poland, and Czechoslovakia? Do you actualy think the French attacked germany? (either time)?????
We often hear about the 6 million Jews, but forget that were more than 6 million others, Catholics, gypsies, trade unionists, and untold numbers of russians. All the while those photographs of happy germans lining the streets for hitlers parades. Yah dere vas no nazi's , well, I have a copy of Deutchland Erwacht (2nd edition) and all the photos in it must then be fakes.!
They are partisans. That is a very well known picture that I have seen numerious times before. The young lady has been identifed. Sorry that I can't point you to the right site but if you look hard enough, you will get all the details that you need.
I just don't feel like looking up war artroicties right now. lets move on.
I believe that the saying is "The victor gets to write the history books" or something to that effect. Leaving the genocide that was committed out of this (as many countries not just the Germans were complicit in it), both sides did despicable things, however what gets remembered is what the losing side did, while the Allies actions are swept under the rug.
Okay guys, we do realize that these are mostly WW1 medals and not WW2 right? The WW2 stuff in this set is primarily non-combatant so why this has devolved into who did bad things in WW2 is beyond me. In both wars soldiers on both sides did things that are wrong but by no means was every soldier complicit in it. Painting every soldier with the same brush is like calling every Muslim a terrorist because some fanatics blow themselves up. It's stupid and uninformed.
BTW, Looking at it again the Iron Cross looks like a repro to me.
Simply in my name because he was an intruiging character and the first model of every modern tank commander. Don't care who he fought for, you have to respect the skill he had. Kinda like Werner von Braun, he sent V1 rockets into London for the Nazis but the guy put a man on the moon.
Simply in my name because he was an intruiging character and the first model of every modern tank commander. Don't care who he fought for, you have to respect the skill he had. Kinda like Werner von Braun, he sent V1 rockets into London for the Nazis but the guy put a man on the moon.
Ah ####.. you again!!! why do you insist on stiring up #### on this site? Your the only one hiding behind something, ie your computer. Rant on turd. Mods if you don't sort this guy out for trolling this Legitimate Thread then why do you exist is my question.
I'm not particularly eager to continue this, but when you study what happened in WWI in Belgium and France, the markers for WWII are there to see; it was another piece of unprovoked aggression on the part of Germany. Yes, I know that doesn't fit with the nice stories about alliances we all learned in skool...
Yes, we all know soldiers sometimes commit atrocities. What we're talking about here is who commits them first, who commits more of them, and who makes them a matter of policy. In WWII, the answer was Germany, Japan and Soviet Russia, though in the case of the Russians, they had a rather big score to settle, even bigger than ours.
People who've never really learned the lessons of history tend to forget them very quickly. Which of course is why we keep repeating them.
Just like people forget who invented tanks and armoured warfare and all arms cooperation, in other words the "blitzkrieg", so called.
And to answer your last post, I think you're getting these reactions because the world wars still bring out strong feelings, which is a good thing I'd say.
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When I was much younger, I took the LIFE photos of the Mai Li atrocity into the toolroom where I worked. We had a number of WW2 combatants working there, including a Luftwaffe Vet. who worked on the Me. 109's and a Maquis who had the tattoo from the concentration camp on his arm. All the Vets pretty much agreed that although the event was deplorable those things happen in all wars on all sides. The Luftwaffe Vet. explained, that if you want to survive, you learn to do whatever it takes. A kid can throw a grenade, so if you are suspicious, you shoot the kid. He was far from a bloodthisty person, I had great respect for him. There are lots of confirmed stories about Canadians not taking prisoners. If you get into the "who did what first, so that justifies what we did" stuff, you will get nowhere. Most soldiers just did what they had to do to survive. Another reason why some veterans won't talk about wartime experience.
Can't believe anyone would find anything honourable about Germany's conduct in WW1 or WW2. They started both wars, wanted to take over the world with their master race. Millions died because of it. Evil in it's purest form. When in war you fight fire with fire, and they lost.
Holding a grudge against Germany now is almost as silly as being angry at France for the Napoleonic wars.
My grandfathers and my great-grandfathers fought for Canada and Britain in the wars as they felt it was their duty. It's just a matter of geography they were born in Britain and not Germany. If they, or you or I, were born in Germany you don't think you would have done the same and fought for your country? You think some German farm boy conscripted in to the German army was any different than some Canadian kid from Saskatchewan he met on the battlefield? Other than language, they probably had more in common than with the men who sent them there.
My grandfathers and my great-grandfathers fought for Canada and Britain in the wars as they felt it was their duty. It's just a matter of geography they were born in Britain and not Germany. If they, or you or I, were born in Germany you don't think you would have done the same and fought for your country? You think some German farm boy conscripted in to the German army was any different than some Canadian kid from Saskatchewan he met on the battlefield? Other than language, they probably had more in common than with the men who sent them there.
really?
july 25, 1914 - serbia mobilizes, then austria-hungary mobilizes
july 26, 1914 - russia issues mobilization standby orders
july 27, 1914 - france issues mobilization stanby orders
july 28, 1914 - austria-hungary declares war on serbia
july 29, 1914 - russia mobilizes
july 31, 1914 - germany issues mobilization standby orders
july 31, 1914 - german ultimatums; france to remain neutral, russia to demobilizes. both rejected.
july 31, 1914 - france mobilizes
august 1, 1914 - germany mobilizes, declares war on russia
august 3, 1914 - germany declares war on france
prior to july 25, it was mainly a serbia/austria-hungary issue with the overriding concern of russian involvement. the german kaiser was on his yacht and got the details from a newspaper! and the german high command was not informed by the austrians what they were up to.
so what exactly in the timeline indicates that germany is guilty of trying to take over the world? both russia and france mobilized before germany, if you care to look on a map of 1914 europe, you can see that this was not a tolerable situation for germany. germany's planners had long recognized that the only chance for victory in a two front war was to knock france out quickly, then deal with russia.
germany had been at peace since the founding of the empire in 1871, how many of the other countries involved could say the same?
It's always easy to trot out the generalities about "everyone does it", which is why people always do. The history is there for those who want to study it and really understand what happened and why.
After the massacres of Canadian POW's by the SS, a lot of those goons got shot whether trying to surrender or not. No loss in my book. They were massacring British prisoners in 1940 and kept doing it right through the war. Not to mention all the Poles, Belgians, French, Czechs, Dutch, Russians, Greeks, Italians. You get the picture?
My Lai was an eternal disgrace to the USA, and in WWII there were thousands of My Lais. I'm not aware of any committed by the Western Allies however. And to those who got their history from "The Valor and the Horror",
save your breath! It's interesting to see the generational breakdown here. Those who were old enough to be there have no illusions, while most of those of my age, don't know or don't care, or both. Sad. Those vets should have talked more.
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i am also 6'3 and 250. as a elephants thanks to our trunks we both have exellent senses of smell,
i smell bullsh!t coming off of you pal!
we must learn from the mistakes of the 60s war protesters.
we can not paint all soldiers with the same brush and things are not always as the media says.
in fact there are probably quite a few soldiers who would be very unhappy
.when bertuzzi smacked the other guy we blamed bertuzzi...not the canucks.
do you still eat pork post picton? then apparently you dont blame all pig farmers!
if you dont like what the army does then dont even bother blaming unless they got more than 2 bars(Lt.). often in conflicts like that the common soldier is just there because somebody of a higher rank said so.
furthermore that can be apllied quite a ways up the chain of command.
leaders come and go, many soldiers are for life!
It's always easy to trot out the generalities about "everyone does it", which is why people always do. The history is there for those who want to study it and really understand what happened and why.
After the massacres of Canadian POW's by the SS, a lot of those goons got shot whether trying to surrender or not. No loss in my book. They were massacring British prisoners in 1940 and kept doing it right through the war. Not to mention all the Poles, Belgians, French, Czechs, Dutch, Russians, Greeks, Italians. You get the picture?
My Lai was an eternal disgrace to the USA, and in WWII there were thousands of My Lais. I'm not aware of any committed by the Western Allies however. And to those who got their history from "The Valor and the Horror",
It's interesting to see the generational breakdown here. Those who were old enough to be there have no illusions, while most of those of my age, don't know or don't care, or both. Sad. Those vets should have talked more.
I think we should all remember that history is written by the victors, nuff said.
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