Slam-fire shotguns
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I love how he is asking about something completely legal yet catching flack for not having enough posts and garbage like that. Oh and TDC, great job with that comment. I am not one of your haters but cmon now....
Really, why would someone be interested in shotguns without disconnectors if they aren't interested in the ignorant practice of slam firing/bump firing/fanning? The skill is of no use and is no faster than any other shotgun in the hands of a skilled shooter. Hence the skill comment. Buy a good pump gun and shoot it a lot. Perhaps seek some training as well. The perceived advantage of the shotguns in question is mythical.
TDC
Similar idea but different hardware. On a Single Action revolver, you hold in the trigger and slap back the hammer with the palm of your hand repeatedly, causing a shot to fire with each 'fan' of your hand.
1897 indeed!...
..was TWT (typing while tired)...
The secod one needs some machining, but I need to find a gunsmith somewhere near Toronto (my old one retired this year...
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Wow...hold old is it? I don't think any shotgun made since about 1970 has been able to do this?? You sure?
I dont really want to get anybody too frazzeled here, and, contrary to the manner in which I've seen many other theads degrade, I'd like to stay away from all the poo-flinging and bickering associated with those who love it and those who hate it. (ie: those think the practise is stupid, moronic, or bad technique, or just not their cup of tea).
Those who dont like the idea of it - need to make a distinction between responsible firearms owners and drunken douchebags shooting gas cans on YouTube.
Its subjective. Like a few of you, I am also of the belief such shotguns would not necessairily make you a better, more accurate, or faster shooter. But, like cyclone and H Wally, I think it would be interesting to try out. (worth the the 200-300 for an old beater anyways)
Cowboy action guys do it all the time. Fact of the matter is, the practise is perfectly legal, as are the firearms that can perform in such a manner. Thus, discussing it shouldnt be much of an issue. Unless I missed the newsletter where we only talk about bolt actions and SxS's on CGN.
Most of these shotguns are many decades old. Its nothing new, and shouldnt be cause for anyone to get bent out of shape.
Lets try and keep it objective.
So... List wise...
Win 1897
Win Mod 12/1912
Ithaca Mod 37 (up to a certain year?)
Win 1300 (possibly?)
Maybe you fellas with some old pumps can do some dry runs on them and let us know?
Those who dont like the idea of it - need to make a distinction between responsible firearms owners and drunken douchebags shooting gas cans on YouTube.
Its subjective. Like a few of you, I am also of the belief such shotguns would not necessairily make you a better, more accurate, or faster shooter. But, like cyclone and H Wally, I think it would be interesting to try out. (worth the the 200-300 for an old beater anyways)
Cowboy action guys do it all the time. Fact of the matter is, the practise is perfectly legal, as are the firearms that can perform in such a manner. Thus, discussing it shouldnt be much of an issue. Unless I missed the newsletter where we only talk about bolt actions and SxS's on CGN.
Most of these shotguns are many decades old. Its nothing new, and shouldnt be cause for anyone to get bent out of shape.
Lets try and keep it objective.
So... List wise...
Win 1897
Win Mod 12/1912
Ithaca Mod 37 (up to a certain year?)
Win 1300 (possibly?)
Maybe you fellas with some old pumps can do some dry runs on them and let us know?
It's good for "stunts", like keeping an empty gas can in the air...
....or so I'm told... In fact, many "trick-shooters" on the Winchester payroll used to do just that with the 1897 shotguns! 
I just love the Ithaca 37 b/c I've seen it in so many 'Nam series, and I've been dying to get the mag-tube extended out to 7 or more (again, I need to find a gunsmith near Toronto!
). Mine is currently a 4+1 with the looooong 30-inch barrel, full choke, and it's my trap-pump of choice. I picked up the 2 Winchesters in a complicated but ultimately amazing E & E deal (I still have a lot of gratitude to the CGN'er who "hooked me up" on that one
), but what initally drew me to them was their 20-inch barrels....oddly enough, I took one out for trap-shooting and it was bang-on! 
I use a Win 97 for cowboy action and I have tried both methods. I find I am quicker and way more accurate when shooting conventionally. When I slam fire I have the tendency to shoot incredibly low, about 1 1/2 feet low at 10 yards when slam firing. This means I have to hold so high over the target that the gun will totally obscures the target which slows me down big time.
As previously stated practice practice practice and you will get the same speed as slam firing but you will have far better accuracy.
Just to give you an idea of the speed, I can pump out 5 rounds in just under 2 seconds without slam firing and still reliably hit 5 different targets.
As previously stated practice practice practice and you will get the same speed as slam firing but you will have far better accuracy.
Just to give you an idea of the speed, I can pump out 5 rounds in just under 2 seconds without slam firing and still reliably hit 5 different targets.
That shotgun(, AKA Stevens 68?), is basically related to the Springfield 67, the Stevens 77E and Savage 30, if I can recollect.
AFAIK, none of them could slam-fire?
What that guy did to get his shotgun to slam-fire was probably something beyond its facory specs....
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My Ithaca 37 is faster than that.
That shotgun(, AKA Stevens 68?), is basically related to the Springfield 67, the Stevens 77E and Savage 30, if I can recollect.
AFAIK, none of them could slam-fire?
What that guy did to get his shotgun to slam-fire was probably something beyond its facory specs....
I'm not sure the guy in the above video understands slam firing in this context very well. I see his trigger finger moving after every shot. Either way, he's really slow at it. No advantage there.
I didn't pick that up until rewatching it a couple times, good eye.
Also, i saw another video of what i think is this "slam fire" shooting , some guy with an 870 tactical. I'm guessing this is due to an aftermarket modification not stock to the 870? Or my eyes are worst than i thought lol!
As stated before by knowledgeable shotguners ther are only 3 shotguns that will do this type of firing Win 1897, Win model 12 Ithaca 37 if there are any others out there they possibly have been altered and even still very unlikely .
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