HKP7 Gold Plated?

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So, what is the deal with the P7? When you can buy a quality, tuned and worked over 1911 for $1100-1200, a Glock for well under $1000 and the CZ family for $750 or less, how on earth is it that a P7 lists for OVER $2000? It is a sweet pistol, no doubt, and a superb carry piece. Since we are denied CCW in this country and are limited to range only outings, how does HK keep a straight face when they print their price list?

Mark
 
Well you know what they say, if you have to ask.... However used ones come up for sale on the EE, or get a divorce I have to sell for a song deal:D
 
It's one of those pistols that you have to try before you really understand. Some get it worse than others (myself included here). They are a quality firearm that do have their idiosyncrasies such as heating up after 8 or so mags being fired rapidly, but their lack of felt recoil, accuracy, small size, all metal construction and ease of use sold me on them. I had 5 of them at one time and am now down to four. I buy and sell a bit, but i will always keep one of these in the collection at all times. I have or have owned every one of the pistols you have listed but I can honestly say the P7 is one of the finest firearms I have had the pleasure of owning.
 
johnl said:
Well you know what they say, if you have to ask.... However used ones come up for sale on the EE, or get a divorce I have to sell for a song deal:D
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I know they come up, and I am always astonished at the prices. There are 2 there right now, a used one for $1850 and a new one for $2200. I haven't spent that for all my firearms in total...

I guess I will just have to find someone who has one and will let me shoot it to see for myself. I just can't see it being worth it to me, no matter how nice it works for me, though. If we had CCW, that may be enough to change my mind, but range only seems very extravagant to my sense of value. As always, YMMV.

Mark
 
mmattockx said:
I know they come up, and I am always astonished at the prices. There are 2 there right now, a used one for $1850 and a new one for $2200. I haven't spent that for all my firearms in total...

I guess I will just have to find someone who has one and will let me shoot it to see for myself. I just can't see it being worth it to me, no matter how nice it works for me, though. If we had CCW, that may be enough to change my mind, but range only seems very extravagant to my sense of value. As always, YMMV.

Mark
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I can understand how you would find $2000 a lot if you haven't even spent that on all your firearms but you have to remember some guys/girls on deal with firearms on a daily basis, for some it's an occupation.. a $2000 pistol is nothing compared to some rifles and optics these people can afford.

I've only held the P7 and I can tell you just the feel, fit and finish, makes it is worth it for me. I do plan on getting one and if she shoots as good as she looks, from what i've heard they do, I would be more then happy to buy more then one.
 
I have an HKP7 with a single MAG THROUGH IT! (practically brand new) for $1250.. substantially less than I paid for the thing one week ago new and in better shape than any of the other PSPs that come up on the EE and I haven't had a single concrete offer on the thing yet. Somebody make me a frickin' offer!!

Seriously though, the HKP7 is a sweet gun. I was hesitant about accepting the trade on my first one. It's kind of ugly and I have not been that impressed with HK in the past. I'm glad I did and I'm glad I discovered P7s because they're really unique and changed the way I felt about compact pistols and close quarters / point shooting.

Only thing I can say is that P7s are a little more rare (they shouldn't be, but they are), it is a unique design, functions unlike other pistols, is above average quality/craftmanship and is ridiculously reliable. That's all it has going for it which is a lot but yes, they are pricey. The one thing I like about P7s is they go for relatively the same price as G19s, G26s, Sig 239s and other reliable compact/sub-compact firearms yet are waaaaay ahead of any of those pistols I just mentioned.

Then again, I remember not too long ago when you couldn't get a new Glock as a civillian for less than $799. Sig 229s were in the $1300 price range without a rail and without any fancy sights.

Hopefully firearm prices will keep going down so that when I get buying again I can take advantage of some deals.

Tim.
 
blackout said:
I can understand how you would find $2000 a lot if you haven't even spent that on all your firearms but you have to remember some guys/girls on deal with firearms on a daily basis, for some it's an occupation.. a $2000 pistol is nothing compared to some rifles and optics these people can afford.
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It's not that I am cheap, but to me no gun is worth $2000+, I am just not that commited (or obsessed?;)) to a range only gun. I do have a garage full of motorcycles and understand fully spending whatever it takes to scratch the itch. If that is what it takes, then that is what it takes.

I just look at a P7 and see no more manufacturing cost than any other semi auto pistol and shake my head at what HK thinks it is worth.

Mark
 
timothydgordon said:
I have an HKP7 with a single MAG THROUGH IT! (practically brand new) for $1250.. substantially less than I paid for the thing one week ago new and in better shape than any of the other PSPs that come up on the EE and I haven't had a single concrete offer on the thing yet. Somebody make me a frickin' offer!!
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Tim, if you were in my neighbourhood I would see about a test drive. These responses make me think that I need to try it myself just to be sure it isn't something I need.:D Good thing I have blown my gun budget for the next while or I might be tempted beyond control...

Mark
 
I thought the same thing about the p7's, till i tied one. The main thing being that they aren't being produced anymore. Even the mags are 100 bucks each. They're worth every cent. I was amazed at the accuracy for such a small pistol. I try not to shoot mine, (to keep the rd count down) but its hard...AR's, and most other cheap to manufacture black rifles that share the same price tag aren't worth it.
 
timothydgordon said:
I have an HKP7 with a single MAG THROUGH IT! (practically brand new) for $1250.. substantially less than I paid for the thing one week ago new and in better shape than any of the other PSPs that come up on the EE and I haven't had a single concrete offer on the thing yet. Somebody make me a frickin' offer!!

Seriously though, the HKP7 is a sweet gun. I was hesitant about accepting the trade on my first one. It's kind of ugly and I have not been that impressed with HK in the past. I'm glad I did and I'm glad I discovered P7s because they're really unique and changed the way I felt about compact pistols and close quarters / point shooting.

Only thing I can say is that P7s are a little more rare (they shouldn't be, but they are), it is a unique design, functions unlike other pistols, is above average quality/craftmanship and is ridiculously reliable. That's all it has going for it which is a lot but yes, they are pricey. The one thing I like about P7s is they go for relatively the same price as G19s, G26s, Sig 239s and other reliable compact/sub-compact firearms yet are waaaaay ahead of any of those pistols I just mentioned.

Then again, I remember not too long ago when you couldn't get a new Glock as a civillian for less than $799. Sig 229s were in the $1300 price range without a rail and without any fancy sights.

Hopefully firearm prices will keep going down so that when I get buying again I can take advantage of some deals.

Tim.
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The prices of our compact (and sub-compact) Glocks reflect the fact that they aren't as common as in the South, our inflated firearms pricing, and the fact that they must be barreled (seperately, billed to the buyer) with a 106mm or longer barrel.
 
The HKP7 is a fantastic pistol. Beleive it or not the OPP issued this exact firearm to their Drug enforcement units, surveillance units and Criminal investigation Branch for approx 7 yrs, (surveillance units carried the P7 M13 while everyone else carried the P7 M8). It was the best sidearm I ever carried during that time and was sorry to see them removed from the front line.
They were removed for no other reason except to reduce the number of different S/A pistols carried by the specialty units.

I was fortunate enough to be able to purchase one later and as stated in other posts, will hold onto it for a long time if not forever.

I did see that there was a post about having it re-measured and possibly moved from 12(6) to just restricted, I intend to follow this up.......
 
mmattockx said:
see no more manufacturing cost than any other semi auto pistol
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Look closer. Note the mirror-finish bore, the precision gas piston, the clockwork of the squeeze-cocker, the fluted chamber and the near-perfect welds in the slide. Then look at the tank-like construction of the mags. And so on.

I have one. "Fast, flat, and accurate" is the mantra - and it's true. Best (not counting cost) small handgun I've handled, by far.

HK said they stopped making them because they couldn't sell them for the price they needed.

My current go-to pistol is a Glock 19 because it's easier to maintain, more corrosion-resistant and takes a rail-mounted light. Good enough, but not in the same league as a P7.
 
I have 3 P7M8's, two hardchromed.

They're amazingly reliable and fairly accurate.

PITA to clean and if you have to detail strip them and change parts, it can be difficult.

Depending on your handsize, you may shoot other guns better than them.

For my needs the more modern HK's are better guns, just as accurate, easier to clean, parts easier to get and replace.
 
the P7s are well worth the money, very fine firearms. The best I have seen and owned. It needs some getting used to with the sqeeze cocker, but once you are use to it, they are super accurate and design is superb
 
I guess a Mark23 is out of the question

mmattockx said:
It's not that I am cheap, but to me no gun is worth $2000+, I am just not that commited (or obsessed?;)) to a range only gun. I do have a garage full of motorcycles and understand fully spending whatever it takes to scratch the itch. If that is what it takes, then that is what it takes.

I just look at a P7 and see no more manufacturing cost than any other semi auto pistol and shake my head at what HK thinks it is worth.

Mark
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I would assume a H&K Mark23 at $2600 is out of the question.
 
ya mark23's are alot less than that.... you can get them for a decent price,, but then again you can buy an expert, or basic usp and have the same gun... i know i will get slammed for that . but ...lets face it here .thats what it is .. the p7 is a completely different firearm. try it before you slag it. it is not a gun for everyone , and i know lots of people that DO NOT like it. but thats them . and they are usually a 1911 only type of person. so it wouldnt matter. btw.. the p7 is different than the p7m8/m13 . all p7's/psp are USED/surplus. and could have been fired 20,000 rounds before they came to canada. be careful on those to buy. the one and only thing i like about the p7/psp is they have a euro mag release. which i really like. other than that.. i would avoid them. plus i like the larger trigger guard on the m8/m13.

but thats me,
 
firemachine69 said:
The prices of our compact (and sub-compact) Glocks reflect the fact that they aren't as common as in the South, our inflated firearms pricing, and the fact that they must be barreled (seperately, billed to the buyer) with a 106mm or longer barrel.
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Yes, you're totally right about that and I completely understand the pricing/additional expenses. To be honest, I'd rather have those pistols available in this country and pay the extra $$$ than the alternative which is living without them.

What I meant by Glock 19/26 and Sig 239 being so expensive is for the money only. If they were priced the same here as they were in the states I would own all of them. I actually LOVE the G19 (I converted my G23 to be one) and I really appreciate the Sig 239 for what it is but the HKP7PSP is a unique pistol that is easy to shoot but also incredibly accurate. The accuracy of this pistol alone makes it worth the cash because it scores above the Glock 26 and above the Sig 239. It's relatively heavy so you don't feel the recoil but I believe the recoil is worse than it would be if this pistol didn't use the gas delayed blowback.

Tim.
 
WolFF said:
btw.. the p7 is different than the p7m8/m13 . all p7's/psp are USED/surplus. and could have been fired 20,000 rounds before they came to canada. be careful on those to buy. the one and only thing i like about the p7/psp is they have a euro mag release. which i really like. other than that.. i would avoid them. plus i like the larger trigger guard on the m8/m13.

but thats me,
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I think that's a pretty ridiculous statement to avoid the PSP because it could have been fired 20,000 rounds. Buy a certified refurbished pistol by the HK factory and you're fine! Even the "C" grade pistols have quite beautiful internals. I've never seen a new refurbished in box PSP look like a used pistol with the exception of the external and this was always cosmetic. I have a lot of experience with PSPs and I've seem some ugly ones, freckles, totally purple, dents, dings, long holster scratches and the worst.. rust. However, never one that looked like it saw more than a few hundred rounds and this was with a hard look and squint at the barrel. In regards to the trigger guard. It's plastic and doesn't allow for being a heat shield or for dissipating heat so, engineering wise, it fails. The m13 is uncomfortably thick and completely destroys the concept of the compact design of the P7. I feel the opposite way about the euro release as well. I know a lot of shooters don't have any difficulty adapting to them but they seem cumbersome to me. Although, the concept that your hand is right there which allows for you to drop the mag into your hand instead of the floor is kind of nice.

Tim.
 
johnl said:
$2600 before taxes:eek::eek::eek: Wow, I got mine from West Edmonchuk Mall a little time back for $1900 and change delivered to my door.
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Ah $1900, them were the good old days. $2500 - $2600 is accurate for new right now that I have found. Someone fill me in where they are cheaper if possible.

Mmattockx, If I can get down Airdrie way this summer I will bring a couple of P7's along for you to try. Very addicting habit once you start.
 
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