I still don't believe you are actually seeing people taking 700 yd shots. I also don't believe you have a higher ethical standard than the rest of us, and this falling on your sword for the sake of bambi is pretty funny.
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I still don't believe you are actually seeing people taking 700 yd shots. I also don't believe you have a higher ethical standard than the rest of us, and this falling on your sword for the sake of bambi is pretty funny.
ok then - story time
Growing up in the southern prairies I hunted with my good friend around his farm for years. He with his 30-06 and me with my 300 weatherby. We both have shot since we could hold a gun and we both shoot at ranges and gophers and rocks and tree stumps and coyotes... whatever--- and shoot alot.
To cut the story short, over the years we had shot more then our share of mule and white tail in the wide open areas of southern Alberta. We had always thought the shots were reasonable when we shot. Sometimes we missed from close - sometimes from far. I have got to admit - we never lost an animal that we hit.
The amazing part was when I made enough money to buy a new fangled lazer rangefinder. While testing it out my friend and I drove from place to place re-living each shot that we took over the years at various memorable deer.
One of us would stand by where the deer had been (it is relatively easy because nothing changes much _ a pile of rocks, an old cultivator etc are all still where they were years ago) We then lazed the distance and our mouths dropped open. Where we thought it may have been 300 yds - it was like 450 yds. Where we thought it was 500 yds at the time we shot the deer it was more like 700.
The point is that growing up and shooting in that area all the time, we never questioned "how many yards?" - we only knew that we can kill that animal from where we stood. We both knew our rifles instinctively (beware the one gun hunter!!) and both took careful shots.
Today, with rangefinders, clicking scopes, reticles, wind meters .... we know the parameters of the conditions we are shooting in, ........but I still laugh when I think of how we had fun hunting and taking "horrible long shots" with great success across that open country, in all kinds of weather, while being too "stupid" to know that we are going to miss or wound an animal and be branded as unethical because the shot is "too far".
I dont view myself or my friend as unethical in any way shape or form. I do know what my rifle can and will do when I pull the trigger- that is all that matters.
I must be bored in arguing this post because I truly believe that hunting is supposed to be fun and not a bitc* session where my way is the only way.
And yes - people have more skill in somethings then other people - shooting , tracking , shooting running coyotes -- whatever. That is what makes people individuals and not robots.
I am done with this thread..
Growing up in the southern prairies I hunted with my good friend around his farm for years. He with his 30-06 and me with my 300 weatherby. We both have shot since we could hold a gun and we both shoot at ranges and gophers and rocks and tree stumps and coyotes... whatever--- and shoot alot.
To cut the story short, over the years we had shot more then our share of mule and white tail in the wide open areas of southern Alberta. We had always thought the shots were reasonable when we shot. Sometimes we missed from close - sometimes from far. I have got to admit - we never lost an animal that we hit.
The amazing part was when I made enough money to buy a new fangled lazer rangefinder. While testing it out my friend and I drove from place to place re-living each shot that we took over the years at various memorable deer.
One of us would stand by where the deer had been (it is relatively easy because nothing changes much _ a pile of rocks, an old cultivator etc are all still where they were years ago) We then lazed the distance and our mouths dropped open. Where we thought it may have been 300 yds - it was like 450 yds. Where we thought it was 500 yds at the time we shot the deer it was more like 700.
The point is that growing up and shooting in that area all the time, we never questioned "how many yards?" - we only knew that we can kill that animal from where we stood. We both knew our rifles instinctively (beware the one gun hunter!!) and both took careful shots.
Today, with rangefinders, clicking scopes, reticles, wind meters .... we know the parameters of the conditions we are shooting in, ........but I still laugh when I think of how we had fun hunting and taking "horrible long shots" with great success across that open country, in all kinds of weather, while being too "stupid" to know that we are going to miss or wound an animal and be branded as unethical because the shot is "too far".
I dont view myself or my friend as unethical in any way shape or form. I do know what my rifle can and will do when I pull the trigger- that is all that matters.
I must be bored in arguing this post because I truly believe that hunting is supposed to be fun and not a bitc* session where my way is the only way.
And yes - people have more skill in somethings then other people - shooting , tracking , shooting running coyotes -- whatever. That is what makes people individuals and not robots.
I am done with this thread..
So the question is at what point is it unethical?
When the hunter pulls the trigger in a situation beyond their abilities?
Or when they decide early in the year before the hunting season that they only need a few shots out of a box of ammo with their new rifle and scope to "zero in"?
When the hunter pulls the trigger in a situation beyond their abilities?
Or when they decide early in the year before the hunting season that they only need a few shots out of a box of ammo with their new rifle and scope to "zero in"?
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Bahaha give me a break!!!!!! I deer is a relatively large object. They have a big kill zone!!!!! If you cant shoot and kill a deer at over 150 yards than give up hunting. In fact give up shooting all together because mentally challenged people shouldn't be allowed to play with guns in the first place!!!!!!!! I realize that shooting a 2" group at 200 yards from a bench is different than when hunting. But if you'd put your beer down and shoot with both hands it's not that hard to kill a deer at 200 yards!!!!!!!!! Ya remember all those many times we've hit a deer on the highway because it was staggering around after being wounded from some hunter. Bahaha just when I though iv herd it all. Tell me, when you past a deer at 120km/hr and smear it all down the highway how in the hell to you find a 30cal bullet hole in it????? Seriously who stops after hitting a deer to give it a 5 hour autopsy looking for any previous bullet holes!!!!! Who are we kidding here!!!!!!!!!
Bahaha give me a break!!!!!! I deer is a relatively large object. They have a big kill zone!!!!! If you cant shoot and kill a deer at over 150 yards than give up hunting. In fact give up shooting all together because mentally challenged people shouldn't be allowed to play with guns in the first place!!!!!!!! I realize that shooting a 2" group at 200 yards from a bench is different than when hunting. But if you'd put your beer down and shoot with both hands it's not that hard to kill a deer at 200 yards!!!!!!!!! Ya remember all those many times we've hit a deer on the highway because it was staggering around after being wounded from some hunter. Bahaha just when I though iv herd it all. Tell me, when you past a deer at 120km/hr and smear it all down the highway how in the hell to you find a 30cal bullet hole in it????? Seriously who stops after hitting a deer to give it a 5 hour autopsy looking for any previous bullet holes!!!!! Who are we kidding here!!!!!!!!!
Morals and Ethics have nothing to do with a LEGAL HUNT. No one can decide for another, what their morals and ethics should be.
The only time, IMHO, that another should judge, is after the shot is taken. That is when the true "Hunter" shows through.
As an example, take a guy that is a long range hunter, and for me this is 250 yards and beyond, and say this guy practices religiously, goes to the range in the off season, shoots a bunch, loads his own ammo, knows his equipments abilities and his own, inside and out.
Deer season comes, a nice Buck walks into a clearing, he takes his time, adjusts for wind, angle, and he decides to take the shot. BLAM
But wait a minute, the Buck didn't drop, it did take off running, but he thinks to himself, woah, that deer should have dropped. He gets down to where the Buck was when he shot, sees a spot of blood, and also notices, a small bush, that he didn't see through his scope. He examines the shrub, and sees a twig freshly broken, and deduces that the bullet must have grazed this twig, and been sent off course.
Here, and only here is where we, as fellow hunters get to judge this individual. To my mind he only has one option, and that is to do everything humanly possible to find that wounded game.
It's the ones that shrug their shoulders, and not have another thought about that Buck, that are the ones that we need to chastise.
The only time, IMHO, that another should judge, is after the shot is taken. That is when the true "Hunter" shows through.
As an example, take a guy that is a long range hunter, and for me this is 250 yards and beyond, and say this guy practices religiously, goes to the range in the off season, shoots a bunch, loads his own ammo, knows his equipments abilities and his own, inside and out.
Deer season comes, a nice Buck walks into a clearing, he takes his time, adjusts for wind, angle, and he decides to take the shot. BLAM
But wait a minute, the Buck didn't drop, it did take off running, but he thinks to himself, woah, that deer should have dropped. He gets down to where the Buck was when he shot, sees a spot of blood, and also notices, a small bush, that he didn't see through his scope. He examines the shrub, and sees a twig freshly broken, and deduces that the bullet must have grazed this twig, and been sent off course.
Here, and only here is where we, as fellow hunters get to judge this individual. To my mind he only has one option, and that is to do everything humanly possible to find that wounded game.
It's the ones that shrug their shoulders, and not have another thought about that Buck, that are the ones that we need to chastise.
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Morals and Ethics have nothing to do with a LEGAL HUNT. No one can decide for another, what their morals and ethics should be.
The only time, IMHO, that another should judge, is after the shot is taken. That is when the true "Hunter" shows through.
As an example, take a guy that is a long range hunter, and for me this is 250 yards and beyond, and say this guy practices religiously, goes to the range in the off season, shoots a bunch, loads his own ammo, knows his equipments abilities and his own, inside and out.
Deer season comes, a nice Buck walks into a clearing, he takes his time, adjusts for wind, angle, and he decides to take the shot. BLAM
But wait a minute, the Buck didn't drop, it did take off running, but he thinks to himself, woah, that deer should have dropped. He gets down to where the Buck was when he shot, sees a spot of blood, and also notices, a small bush, that he didn't see through his scope. He examines the shrub, and sees a twig freshly broken, and deduces that the bullet must have grazed this twig, and been sent off course.
Here, and only here is where we, as fellow hunters get to judge this individual. To my mind he only has one option, and that is to do everything humanly possible to find that wounded game.
It's the ones that shrug their shoulders, and not have another thought about that Buck, that are the ones that we need to chastise.
Well stated, very well stated.
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You're a fool Canuck525.
Anyone that refutes ethical hunting is a fool.
The silent majority (I have received many pm's supporting this stand on ethics) has decided to remain nameless because they do not want to experience the public defamation that I've endured here on CGN for speaking my mind on this subject.
Those that refute the application of sound ethical hunting distance parameters should have their hunting priviliges removed in my opinion.
Some are willing to be quiet and not make a fuss for fear of people like you here on CGN. I do not follow this philosphy thus the reasons for me starting this post. I have seen several animals horendously wounded due to poor marksmanship skills. I unfortunately was to blame for a small percentage of these decisions. Its a learning curve of deciding when and when not to pull the trigger. People make mistakes right?
However I have NEVER considered a viable shot at the distanmces being described here. This is way outside of my ethical boundaries. Some people have a wider margin than I do and thats OK so long as they have the experience and confidence that goes along with it.
I am a very very good shot. I don't mind saying that because of the trophys that line my walls. Hunting is very different situation though. I'm proud to hunt and I'll take my son hunting as soon as he is ready. I'll leave it at that.
See one can carry this yet further as some avid bow hunters do. They claim hunting with a firearm is unethical as you can shoot anything within 150 yards. You really don'y have to stock the animal etc etc. See, it all depends where you are coming from. SO for these avid archery only enthusiasts you dear sir are unethical.
You see how ridiculous this becomes?
I think most people can figure out what is ethical for them as a hunter goes. So you can come down off your high horse. I don't need a lecture from someone as ignorant as you are about these matters.
You see how ridiculous this becomes?
I think most people can figure out what is ethical for them as a hunter goes. So you can come down off your high horse. I don't need a lecture from someone as ignorant as you are about these matters.
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Just to remind you of what you said, Zumbo Jr. All the backpedaling in the world won't change that post... that's what you're being judged on.
seriously?
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troll oh dearest troll here take my bucknife, id like you to meat(yes meat) my friend blackie! he'd like to have you over for dinner!
and i agree with the topic, long range hunting is not nessasary.
if your one of the % who are capable to do that go too! if not.. dont.
i myself am sighted at 100 yards with 45/70, im ok with that.
when i started hunting i wanted to first hunt with slugs and long shotguns.
idea was that with limited range it would make me become a better hunter, or at least an ethical one. knowing your phisical range restrictions is quite sobering against buck fever. hence the 45/70. some say its range limit is a real heel. i say shots past 200... im not interested.
and as for the blaming of my generation theres plenty of oldschool guys i dont even trust to hold a gun in the woods.
ie a 50 somthing guy who shot a 30-06 browning. he takes his shot, goes wide 6 ft @50 yards
. what does he do? (obvius scope is out) looks in his scope and fires again!or another older guy i saw who was hunting with a 30-30 win.
i was out for bear atm, aparrently he wanted deer.
i am glassing for bears in a cut and i see a buck at the bottom.
then i see @$$hole charging out the bush firing like its the ok corral!
7 shots! only 3 hit ,gut,lower 3 ribs and finaly spine. never got his name cuz i was 600 yards away across the river.
point being its mentality. unlike wine an @$$hole does not get finer with age. and no matter the age an @$$hole is still just an @$$hole.
Who decides what the "ethical hunting distance" is? You?
This takes the cake:
"have their hunting priviliges removed"
By whom? Can't you see how statements like his might be offensive to some?
I abide by the laws and regulations. I have no need to follow your (or any one else's) ethical boundaries. I'm sure you can accept that.
I do respect your opinion hwoever, even though you have referred to a fellow gunnut as a fool (shame on you). Explaining you ethical beliefs is your right. You made some pretty strong statements that are bound to result in equally strong feedback. You must have anticipated this when you started this thread. Perhaps this is what you were fishing for.
If you do think that long range shots are truly unfair, I suggest you forget hunting with firearms all together and start practicing with a bow.
I have seen the same old tired debate in archery. A few years back I was an elite level target archer. I shot in the unlimited division using scopes, triggers,30 inch stabilizers ,etc etc to win many many tournaments. I used a compound bow for hunting tricked out for maximun accuracy and energy. Guess what? A number of the longbow and recurve guys would constantly rant how my buddies and I were unethical to use such modern equipment. They would infer it tarnished the spirit of TRUE archery etc etc..As I said the whole thing simply becomes ridiculous.
I've seen more goofy stuff from older gents than younger, we were dragging a deer back to the road from a foot access only area. There was a doe about 200 yards infront of us near the road. These older fellows roll down their windows and start shooting at this doe and missing her and the bullets are headed in our general direction, because the didn't notice us crossing the field. The fellow that I was dragging the deer with dropped the deer and all his gear and went right after those two older fellows.My friend over there real quick and pointed out that these two fellows were missing their target and that their rounds were too close for comfort for us walking across the field. These fellows claimed they saw us all along and that their shots were no where near us.
Them two old ignorant local fellows are exactly the kind of hunters that threads like this are all about, but try and tell them that they were in the wrong, a waste of your breath. FS
Them two old ignorant local fellows are exactly the kind of hunters that threads like this are all about, but try and tell them that they were in the wrong, a waste of your breath. FS
