Colt M4??

esquif said:
i am sorry but somme of you guys need to learn to let the professional work.

Only outfit like TSE, questar and wolverine did get frt number for cool gun in our favour.

The morons that call the CFC before gun are in the contry to ask , demand and insult officers inteligence ARE by FAR our worst ennemy but they are impossible to control and retailer should know better and keep everything under the radar before they have the goods in hands
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So then to re-iterate: (I saw this post when it was made 10 days ago)

1. Retailers issue press release indicating rifle coming in June/summer. (not true there wasn't even a sample in the country when the press release was issued)

2. Retailers issue press release indicating said rifle to be non-restricted. (again not true how can the RCMP classify the rifle if there is no sample for them to look at other than a "brochure")

3. No sample to look at and no sample here 16 weeks/any weeks prior to the release date. There was no "tricky part" for these well seasoned retailers whom all probably have a 100+ year combined experience in importing firearms over several major OIC changes to bring in one gun to sample, which clearly now is not the case. The jist is up. Someone probably knew it was never going to happen (non-restricted .22 Colt M4 rifle) and hoped the issue would just "go away" or "hope for the best." That's fine, then why were there press releases on the gun being released non-restricted June/summer when there wasn't even the intention of having a sample here for the RCMP to check over? There seems to have never been a plan to bring them in in the first place if now it is June and there is not even a sample here for the RCMP to see. Why agitate your customer base by making a statement on a product that's "not even here in sample form for the RCMP to check out?" That apathetic action alone "let" the RCMP dismiss the issue of classification and gave them broad stroke based on a "paper manual" to let the rifle go in as restricted. As other people have said here "just buy an AR with a .22 upper and call it a day if it's coming in restricted." It would be no different if Apple said the new iPhone 3Gs was to be released on June 18th and that day came and went and there was no iPhone and no word from Apple and worse yet it was leaked out "the 3Gs aren't even out of prototype." There would be a major outcry.

The "professionals" (retailers) are not working properly.

So yes, the retailers should have kept their traps shut or just came clean and said "there is this airsoft company making this awesome .22 Colt M4 patterned rifle and we'd like to import them but first we need 'X number' of prepaid guns or deposits so we can make it worth our while, get the permits, get a sample and get it to the RCMP, and there is a less than 50% chance it's going to come in as non-restricted." Unfortunately that marketing spin would not have worked and instead they chose to say "non-restricted M4 Carbine .22 rifle coming in June/summer" and I am sure LOTS of people pre-ordered.

This isn't even a "solidarity" thing like the T97 issue. If it was I'd be two fisting it up in the air "down with the Man!" In that situation lots of people pre-ordered, paid, and the guns even made it "in country" for release non-restricted because the process was on the ball and the RCMP decided at the last minute to mess with the law. This situation didn't even have a "first minute."

I guess there just is a lot of forgiving customers who will look past this the next time a retailer pulls this again in the future.
 
Everyone should have expected this from the marketing. A phone call and special marketing materials for Canada would have made a big diff. ;)
 
ki11ercane said:
2. Retailers issue press release indicating said rifle to be non-restricted. (again not true how can the RCMP classify the rifle if there is no sample for them to look at other than a "brochure")
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According to history, they don't need to have an actual sample...

( Think about the .22 MP5 story a few months ago )
 
Here is some more torment ;) :

http://www.gunblast.com/Colt-M4.htm

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Who wants to bet that its coming in non restricted but its going to sell in the 700-900 range. Just like the norinc cq which should have sold for 500 bucks but everyone had a hardon for it and it came in over 900
 
Soli said:
Alright guys, listen up: this is about the most up to date and official news you're going to receive on the subject of the Umarex M4 until a distributor/importer takes the next steps.

According to the RCMP technician I spoke to, the Colt Umarex M4 is currently classified as Restricted based on the available literature they were able to peruse (it's perceived as a variant - perhaps because of the terminology used in the Colt/Walther description); that said, the classification is subject to change following a personal evaluation of the rifle by the RCMP.

Here's the tricky part: an importer has to bring in a sample rifle for verification or this won't be going anywhere. It can be done without registration or any serious paperwork since it would be considered a demonstration/evaluation model. In other words, it appears that the ball is in an importer/distributor's court for this to move forward.

In case you want more information, feel free to contact them at extension 1090 by calling the Canada Firearms Center.
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So how about we all organize with a distributor to purchase one, submit it with a letter explaining why it shouldn't be restricted, and have a list of people who want it as a sort of petition to go along with the letter? If we donated $10 apiece we'd have one there in no time.

IMO it also lets RCMP know that we wish to operate in accord with its evaluatory mandate.
 
Northern Pirate said:
Hate to discourage initiative, but it would not matter how many people want this rifle. If all else it is negative thing, because the RCMP will take it as a lot of hasle when citizens start calling in because there are people running around with assualt rifles. Just my thought, I may be wrong... but I highly doubt numbers of people wanting will do anything, if not make it worse.

Also if the rifle has been classified now as restricted, even without the physical product, I doubt that they will change their minds. Hell the GSG got prohibited just do to cosmetics, Blueline is still fighting that one. Maybe the GSG and, if I am right about restricted M4, will evantually be mark appropriately. However, get ready to grow a bit older waiting.
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It cease to amaze me how individuals could possibly concern themselves what the RCMP actually "thinks" or considers an inconvenience. FWIW, it's parliament that makes the laws in this country - not the RCMP. The only job the police have is to enforce the law, not to interpret, or make policies that are contrary to it.

It's already been said, more than once, that no classification has been issued as of yet. With no evidence to support what Soli claims, his story does nothing but cloud the issue and add to the rampant speculation in this thread.
 
Northern Pirate said:
What the RCMP thinks IS important, whether your agree or not. They do classify, parliment has given them that right. So yes, it is a concern of what the RCMP thinks. If the RCMP is not happy with said firearm, you can bet your ass they can take it away. If the RCMP says it should be banned... no one in politics will ever question or fight against it.
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Oh, I'm sorry. Here all along I thought we lived in a democracy where interpretation of the law was left to the courts. Unless I'm mistaken, we're not quite a police state - yet.

What the cops "think" doesn't mean a tinkers damn. It's their job to enforce the law of the land as passed by legislation and through regulation. They don't have the ability to make s**t up as they go along. It's either a variant, or it isn't. Those guidlines and the priciples behind them have to be applied consistently and evenly. Either that, or their ass ends up before an ombudsman or before the courts.

We all know how much the RCMP are enjoying public scrutiny these days. They're walking on thin ice and the sheeple aren't so completely and blindly trusting these days. A little media and public pressure can go a long way.

I think I'm going to spend $5 for a "Freedom for Information" request and ask for the RCMP guidlines used during the classification process. Why someone on this site hasn't done so yet already surprises me.
 
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