270...can't bang flop?

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I have been reading a lot on the 270 this past week, mostly internet BS and other forum posts etc

I have read at least 5 that put down the 270 for not being able to kill quickly. Basically saying, you shoot the amimal and 50-100 yrds run later it drops or beds down.

Now of course bullets and hits etc will have a lot to do with it, but I found it interesting that kept popping up

thoughts?
 
my thoughts?....it's total BS,...I wouldn't listen to it.....

I mean,..how the he11 is an animal going to differentiate between a 140 Accubond , just to pick one,...out of a 270 and the same bullet , in .284 dia obviously, out of a 7-08...or a 280...at pretty much the same speed....?
 
sealhunter said:
I have been reading a lot on the 270 this past week, mostly internet BS and other forum posts etc

I have read at least 5 that put down the 270 for not being able to kill quickly. Basically saying, you shoot the amimal and 50-100 yrds run later it drops or beds down.

Now of course bullets and hits etc will have a lot to do with it, but I found it interesting that kept popping up

thoughts?
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It's mostly twirps that shoot 375 Rugers that will tell you that load of bull puckey.....
 
sealhunter said:
I don't know much about the ability of the 270 or the 7mm-08, or 260 first hand,...just saw a few common stories and thought a few in the know would dicuss it.. as is happening, so continue:)
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Funny to see what real hunters manage to make do with when they don't have a load of internet "experts" telling them they can't unless they have a 375 Rugers or some sort of Magnum cartridge. :)
 
303carbine said:
It's mostly twirps that shoot 375 Rugers that will tell you that load of bull puckey.....
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actually most guys who shoot a fine cartridge such as the 375 Ruger are so well in tune with reality that they can realize the 270 Win is fully capable of "Bang floppin" almost anything :)
 
sealhunter said:
I have been reading a lot on the 270 this past week, mostly internet BS and other forum posts etc

I have read at least 5 that put down the 270 for not being able to kill quickly. Basically saying, you shoot the amimal and 50-100 yrds run later it drops or beds down.

Now of course bullets and hits etc will have a lot to do with it, but I found it interesting that kept popping up

thoughts?
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Off the top of my head, I've had or seen bang flops from this list, and probably more:


.223
.243
.270
.303 British
7mmRM
300WSM
300WM
.375 H&H
And of course, the MIghty .375 Ruger;)

Putting a good bullet in the right place will always result in a quick kill. I might note that a 50-100 yard run really isn't all uncommon or "bad" I've had animals run up to about 100 yards with solid lung hits from several different cartridges and a few different bullets.
 
Likely the same Dudes that think you need a Barnes X to shoot at Whitetail and just "know" that anything less "fails" because they've been told on the net.

140 Grain 270 Ballistic Tips forever....!!!!
 
My, My, My......more pure barnyard effluent being spread on the 'net. Who would have guessed it? ;) The 270 not producing bang-flops.:rolleyes: The fact that some animals die right there and some run anywhere from 20 - 100 or so yards has absolutely nothing to do with the chambering. I suspect that it more often has something to do with the nervous "state" of the animal when it is shot. All wild animals are in somewhat of an "on guard" state constantly, just some are keyed up a bit more than others. These latter are the runners, regardless of the hit, or what they are hit with. Some animals [like moose] are rather staid most of the time, and the fact that they are dead does not register on their tiny brain until a bit of time has elapsed. I have shot many moose that just stood there after the shot, and piled up in a heap when they finally decided to take a step. Others may decide to move off, but will usually only go a short distance before collapsing. The 270 has given me some spectacular bang flops, it has also given me a few runners, like the doe muley I pasted at 60 yards broadside. She took off like she had been stung by a hornet, but piled into a barb wire fence after running about 40 yards. She never got up, dead on her feet, obviously. I noted while dressing her that there was very little left of her heart, the 130 grain Partition had done it in quite well. Regards, Eagleye.
 
You will find many people are 1/2 minute shooters on these forums and killing big game out past 500 yrds is a regular thing but in reality its BS. The .270 win is a fine cartridge and always will be. Moose, elk, deer, yotes etc have all fallen to the .270 and will continue to do so for many years to come. If half the crowd put down there super magnums and shot guns they could actually shoot without flinching they would soon realize that the .270 is very capable out past most hunters shooting ability.
 
You have got to be kidding me!

I basically only shoot a .270 Remington 700 and have done so since 1977.

I have YET to have an animal not go down with one shot. Several Moose 8 or 9 and more Deer that I can count over the years, maybe close to an average of 2+ a year.

I think I would be questioning the shooting ability of who ever wrote that article. Bullet selection for me is always 150 gr Nosler Partitions and of course like ANY shot it's PLACEMENT - PLACEMENT - PLACEMENT.

Too many people will not pass up a bad shot and take a crack at something when they shouldn't. Must be the gun, blame the gun, it couldn't be me!

Learn to Bow Hunt first and you will learn all about placement shooting! Then Black Powder and finally Smokeless. You will never look back.

Know your abilities, know your weapon, know your shot. If you can't do that, then learn to knit and knit yourself a crying towel! No offence to knitters but maybe you could help this person who wrote this article out.

A .270 won't drop anything with a single shot, GIVE ME A BREAK!
 
No cartridge can guarantee instant incapacitation given a good hit to the heart/lung area. The .270 is adequate for any North American game short of a grizzly bear.

There are two mechanisms for incapacitation of any animal by gunfire: blood loss and central nervous system (i.e. brain and spinal chord) damage. Obviously, the central nervous is too small a target to hit reliably, so the heart/lung area is the target of choice. Any animal can potentially run for some distance before it bleeds out to the point where blood loss prevents the brain from getting enough oxygen to maintain consciousness, regardless of what it was shot with.

Sometimes, an animal may drop in its tracks despite obviously not being hit in the brain or spinal chord. The usual cause of this is blunt trauma to the spinal chord due to temporary cavitation. A more detailed explanation can be found here:

http://firearmstactical.com/briefs28.htm

Temporary cavitation is the result of tissue stretching as a result of bullet impact. This is analogous to a splash in water. The permanent cavity is what is left as a result of tissue being crushed by contact with the bullet, bullet fragments, and sometimes by the tissue being stretched beyond its breaking point.

Here is a wound profile for a .308 with a soft point bullet. This would be pretty typical performance for most big game rifles.

http://firearmstactical.com/images/Wound Profiles/308 Winchester.jpg
 
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