270...can't bang flop?
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Well said Boomer.
I would like to add that bullets like the Barnes TSX have added enormously to the flexibility of cartridges such as the 270. Where it comes to big tough animals those not using the new super premium bullets (such as the TSX) need to realize that they are not swinging the same bat.....Not even close.
All that said IMHO there are still times when the 270 will likely work, but is not the ideal cartridge of choice.
I was addressing the "everything but a rhino" comment. I suspect someone has their wires badly crossed on that one.
A 260 rem with a 125 gr partition at 2900 is so close with only 44 grs of powder.
I bought into the cult of the 270 having mild recoil and started my son with the cartridge when he was 12. Recoil was heavy in proportion to performance in my opinion.
If doing the same thing again I would have likely bought him a 308 or 7mm-08.
I disagree, but then I think the 7mm rem magnum is equally overated, lots of powder for a little bit better performance.
To me a magnum starts at the 300 win mag.
Actually, the 7Mag and 264Mag are the two that I had in mind that the 270 comes very close too.
I do agree with that.
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Why 300win , because of bore dia ?
Term "Magnum" equals sales pitch terminology, which in turn differentiates one cartridge from another (gives it distinct name, blah blah and so on) most cartridges are "magnums", calibre doesn't enter the picture much if at all. --- FWIW --- John303.
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The 300mags because they can drive good sized, heavy for caliber, aerodynamic bullets at reasonable speed....So offering similar trajectory to the 264, 270, 7 mags, while offering more bullet weight and frontal area.....The smallest long range heavy hitter IMHO.
Energy...bullet weight...a 180 gr bullet at 3100 fps vs 160 gr bullet at barely 3000 in the 7mm mag...3600 ft lbs+ compared to 3300
I wouldn't say barely.....plenty of 7 Rem Mags will do 3000 with a 160, some do 3050...and at 400 yards they are pretty much dead even in trajectory with the 180 out of the 300 Wind Bag at 3100........energy of the 7 is a bit less, but, how much do you need to dump a deer at 400 yards?..
Problem. While the distinction you make may be true, the OP asked about bang flop with a .270. A deer can't tell you the difference between 3100 ft lbs and 36oo ft lbs. of energy. It is just as dead either way. I think this level of debate misses the point. How dead is dead? If the only real way to tell the difference is with precision pressure measuring instruments calibrated and used by engineers in a lab, then I think your point is moot.
If a .270 win with a 150 gr A-Frame bullet generates just under 3000 ft per second fps and 2705 ft/lbs of energy at the muzzle, and most hunting regs/magazine/printed words suggest that 1000 ft-lbs is enough to humanely harvest a deer, isn't the .270's 1600 ft-lbs overkill or the 300 win mags 2600 ft-lb overkill again a moot point? Once the bullet exit the animal it is wasted energy anyways.
If more power is better than why not a .375 H&H, a 458 Lott, 700 Nitro or an artillery shell? How dead does your deer need to be? Experience, not number is the ultimate test. Countless have testified that .270s bang flop just fine.
I think the 300 magnum thing was in reference to much larger animals.
As a side note this is exactly why I select 200 grain bullets (like the Accubond) in the 300 magnums.....Way more retained energy, velocity, and reduced wind drift....180 grain bullets are a distant second best.
I don't think anybody is daft enough to suggest the 270 isn't ideal for deer.
Just read the previous post, I said I don't care for the 270, energy is OK, trajectory is OK, recoil is fairly significant for the on game performance.
I would get and would recommend a whole bunch of cartridges before I ever got to the 270.
The question above was why I said Magnum's start at the 300 winny, didn't really have anything to do with the 270.
Where does he get the Dominion Cling Core softpoints?
