"...I think I would like to try competitive precision shooting"

Again thanks for the write up and If there is a open day for Volks can you bring other people to watch, and learn the sport?

NwG Dutchie

Why not come out to the Frosty Farky here in Kamloops at the end of September? It's not that far a drive from White Rock, about 4 hours. You can also (as I'm going to do) camp out right at the range. It's primitive, no running water or power, but has clean outhouses, and lots of room to park a trailer, camper, or truck. See Obtunded's post above for the entry form.

Couldn't wait til Tuesday, mailed off my Farky entry form and fee today... :D
 
Hey thanks for the write up... I am one that wants to get into some long range shooting and I can understand how someone that shows up with a factory hunting rifle and is going to shoot a match would rather just sit and watch that beautiful AICS 700 shoot :rockOn: But with that being said I have no shame, I am competitive when I am good, but when I suck... I just want to get good!!

I am curious tho, cant a .22lr hit a 4'x4' square at 300m? or was that sapose to read 4"x4"??

I plan on getting a 5r and run with it as a stock gun until i figure out the real art of shooting and then maybe doing some fun stuff to it. Well i will do th trigger, bedding and crown if needed.

Again thanks for the write up and If there is a open day for Volks can you bring other people to watch, and learn the sport?

NwG Dutchie

I did mean 4X4 feet. That is perhaps hyperbole, but my point is that there are points for hitting anywhere on that 4X4 ' square. As long as you can hit that, you're in the game. ...the 35mm circle in the middle however... THAT'S the honey hole.

We are going to (in Kamloops to start) use larger targets for those competing in sporter/factory classes. You'll just have to come out and try it to see why that is a good idea :)

We do indeed have introductory days, both in Kamloops and at Vokes Range. We are in the twilight of the shooting season right now, so those days have been and gone, but stay tuned to the http://www.bcrifle.org website for the 2010 dates; these are typically set after the AGM in the fall. I will defintely be holding another F-Class introductory clinic in early April next year.

You are absolutely more than welcome to come out and watch, or heck, bring your gun and I'll mentor you through the day. I'll introduce you to all our motley regulars. ..Including "Stevebc" who likes to swoop in from the north and whoop some ass while he's there!

Kamloops also has an informal "F-Class Winter League" that typically runs from late fall to the Spring and is shot on Sundays. This winter will involve shooting at the new 500M targets we have installed too. Currently, we also shoot Wednesday Afternoon/early evenings doing very very informal F-CLass shooting, but with target pullers on-site. Great fun and practice!

One day of shooting at one of our BC matches is better than a year of staring at these pages for learning what the pursuit of precision is all about.

Again, I would be thrilled to get together with anyone that would love to give this type of shooting a try.
 
Soooo, many disciplines, so little time (and rescources):( Great post Obtunded, it definitely gets the gears turning.


Love the handle!!! Only a month 'til hunting season!!!!

Mission R&G also has F-Class (They call them ISSF) Practices on a weekly basis. It might be worth your while to get in touch with the fullbore director at Mission and pop out there for one of their evening shoots.

"Gunsmoke" is the chap to speak with on CGN... He can get you hooked up with coming out and giving it a try...

Brian, you there?


Regards,

Ian
 
All this is good and well, but what about those of us way out in Eastern Canada?? :( I'd love to participate in something like this that was in my neck of the woods.

Aside, why use F-class as an introductory vehicle to precision shooting? Wouldn't disciplines involving less accessories be more accessible to new shooters? What about fullbore match rifle shooting: no scope & bipod - two less accessories to buy...

Just food for thought.
 
I have shot in a few competitions so far and I have got the bug so to speak. As Ian said it is highly addictive. You learn a ton of stuff and all the shooters I met were more than polite and accomodating. I have only shot in Tactical Rifle shoots but would definitely like to try F Class.
 
Love the handle!!! Only a month 'til hunting season!!!!

Mission R&G also has F-Class (They call them ISSF) Practices on a weekly basis. It might be worth your while to get in touch with the fullbore director at Mission and pop out there for one of their evening shoots.

"Gunsmoke" is the chap to speak with on CGN... He can get you hooked up with coming out and giving it a try...

Brian, you there?


Regards,

Ian

35 sleeps for me 'till I disappear into the East Kootenay for two weeks, but who's counting right?:D

Thanks for the info. I'm aware of the 300 Club in Mission, and have been meaning to get out one night with them, but it just hasn't happened yet. By the looks of the club calendar they have wrapped up for the season. Hopefully next year.

Cheers,
Lee
 
All this is good and well, but what about those of us way out in Eastern Canada?? :( I'd love to participate in something like this that was in my neck of the woods.

Aside, why use F-class as an introductory vehicle to precision shooting? Wouldn't disciplines involving less accessories be more accessible to new shooters? What about fullbore match rifle shooting: no scope & bipod - two less accessories to buy...

Just food for thought.

Well,

Spotting scope with stand, sling, shooting jacket, shooting gloves, iron sights, plot-o-matic... versus scope,rear bag, bipod.

I take nothing away from TR/fullbore shooting, but I am the BCRA F-Class director and I know - and promote - my own discipline. TR/Match rifle is no less complicated and requires more specialized equipment - not less.
 
Great article Ian,. You and Rich have done a great job of promoting F class all over the place.

Got the green light to come to the Farky so hope to get my entry in this week. But hold a spot for me if I forget before going on holiday Friday.

If this is ok with you and Rich (your event), I would like to offer something to help this process along. Contribution by Mystic Precision.

I will make a rifle available for one shooter to shoot the weekend or two shooters to shoot one day a piece (or however we want to break up the ammo). Everything is provided - you just need to bring your own hearing protection and entry fee.

This rifle will be shared with me so there will need to be some juggling to avoid us shooting on the same relay. I shot this rifle to 4th last year and missed a better placing by 1point or 1 X so it can shoot.

I will have 100rds of ammo - the event will take approx 90rds and then there are a few for practise if we can.

The cost is $100 (or $50 each) with all proceeds going to the Farky in whatever capacity will help the event (prizes, pay something extra for the target pullers, food/drink - whatever the event director wants).

If Obtunded or Cyan1de can PM me to discuss if this is kosher and how to set it up, please do so before next Friday.

If there are several interested parties, I will leave it to the match directors to decide how to choose.

Let me know...

Jerry
 
You are absolutely more than welcome to come out and watch, or heck, bring your gun and I'll mentor you through the day. I'll introduce you to all our motley regulars. ..Including "Stevebc" who likes to swoop in from the north and whoop some ass while he's there!

......

Again, I would be thrilled to get together with anyone that would love to give this type of shooting a try.

Thanks, that really does make it alot easier for a guy like myself that knows almost no one that is even interested in the sport, and I will take you up on the offer! I will fire you off an e-mail so I can get the ball rolling on this and maybe get some input on a few questions I have that some shops are adverse to the gear they sell, rather then what would be the best for me.

Great article Ian,. You and Rich have done a great job of promoting F class all over the place.

Got the green light to come to the Farky so hope to get my entry in this week. But hold a spot for me if I forget before going on holiday Friday.

If this is ok with you and Rich (your event), I would like to offer something to help this process along. Contribution by Mystic Precision.

I will make a rifle available for one shooter to shoot the weekend or two shooters to shoot one day a piece (or however we want to break up the ammo). Everything is provided - you just need to bring your own hearing protection and entry fee.

This rifle will be shared with me so there will need to be some juggling to avoid us shooting on the same relay. I shot this rifle to 4th last year and missed a better placing by 1point or 1 X so it can shoot.

I will have 100rds of ammo - the event will take approx 90rds and then there are a few for practise if we can.

The cost is $100 (or $50 each) with all proceeds going to the Farky in whatever capacity will help the event (prizes, pay something extra for the target pullers, food/drink - whatever the event director wants).

If Obtunded or Cyan1de can PM me to discuss if this is kosher and how to set it up, please do so before next Friday.

If there are several interested parties, I will leave it to the match directors to decide how to choose.

Let me know...

Jerry

Hey Jerry if there is a line up I would like it to start behind me!!!

I know that you are an avid Savage guy and I have never shot one, (well i have but not with the accu-trigger/stock... it is a buddies cheepy 30-06 combo for $499 deal and his 17.hmr with accu-trigger)

This would definatly give me a good chance to shoot and see what a real Savage would be like!

It is amazing the effort that some people will put out to get some into a sport they love so much. It deffinatly give a guy that is looking to get into a sport such as f-class shooting a easy way in.

For this I thank you guys... I am getting really excited for it!

NwG Dutchie:rockOn:
 
..Including "Stevebc" who likes to swoop in from the north and whoop some ass while he's there!

It pains me to say this, but I drive in sedately from the west, and manage not to em-bare-ass myself... :D
 
Good

narration. ;)

I think it is important that anyone who MAY be interested go to a match and see what it is all about. I was able to see it for myself at the recent Benchrest Nationals in Regina.

There was one shooter who decided to come and give it a try against all the full blown race guns. He found out only a couple days earlier about the shoot. I believe he had no idea of what to expect. The expression on his face throughtout the weekend made my weekend. He came and shot a 221 Fireball in ? and a 204 Ruger in a T/C. He had no front rest or rear bag. He shot off of sandbags. He is a novice reloader.

What did he see? 3500.00-4000.00 rifles, 1000.00 front rests, guys cleaning after every agg and those maybe after 30-40 rounds. Robertson stocks, McMillan stocks, BAT Machine stocks, Terry Leonard stocks etc. He saw wind flags and wind probes, some homemade and some purchased. He had a chance to see guys load at the range. Saw reloading tools he had never seen before. It was a huge weekend of tons of information to be gathered.

I know his highlight of the weekend was when one competitor let him shoot one of his Benchrest rifles for a complete agg. He had the opportunity to see firsthand what we Benchrest shooters love so much about pulling the trigger on these accurate rifles.

He even had a chance to see that no matter how accurate they are the shooter is still at the mercy of reading through the wind and mirage. It is not just the rifle but reading the conditions as well. Groups at 200 yards were as small as .189" to as high as over 2.5". Heck I even shot my worst 200 yard group ever 1.908". It killed me in that agg and definately took me out of contention. Not that I ever was but I went from sitting 4th to 11th in that agg.

The key is to come out and experience it first hand, he did. He walked away with memories, new friends, a head full of information, belly full of steak and 2 great prizes, a chronograph and a box of 220 Russian brass. Almost 300.00 worth of prizes in thoise 2 items alone. Think he will never forget his first match. NEVER.....

Yes the equipment we use is expensive but when you get to know the people who shoot in the different shooting disciplines a whole new world is opened up. You make contacts around Canada of where to find the best deals or that hard to find part you need to finish off a project. More than likely there is a great deal to be had at a match as well. I bought a Sightrom 36X fixed power with the Ed Adams errector tube freezing mod for 400.00 cdn. To buy that yourself and have it done would be around 500.00 US plus all the other BS and fees to get it into Canada.

It is a choice we make. We all love firearms and accurate ones at that. Some of us, NOT including myself, are more fortunate that we have the cash flow to make things happen faster than others. I hate working overtime but that was the only way I paid for my venture into Benchrest. Yah the money should have gone to paying my mortgage down but remember one thing we live only once. I worked my butt off to make it happen and am I glad I ever did.

Now I am in the process of gathering funds to build a twin to my current Benchrest rifle. Why I have been asked? What will it give you that your current rifle does not? I am building it for numerous reasons. One, to have a spare in case the need arises but mostly to have a second rifle that I can let people have the opportunity to try out and see what it is like to actually shoot and feel like they can compete. Like I said I work hard for what I have. I am willing to share the bit that I know to maybe see a new shooter enter the sport.

So Mystic kudos go out to you with your offer to allow a few people to shoot one of your rifles. If you ever have a chance to go to a match take the plunge. Do not worry about whether or not you can be competitve. I can care less how well I shoot. If I happen to win something it is a bonus. I go to shoots for the joy of shooting and sitting around the table BS'ng.

Just a few of my thoughts.

Calvin
 
Hi Clavin,

Good on your fellows for taking the time to make a new guy feel so welcome! At our Provincial F-Class match, one of our CGN regulars is a young "Tactical" shooter that has taken an interest in F-Class. He has done nothing but become a much better shooter in both disciplines for doing so. He actually won one of the matches for his class and the look of amazement, and his public cry of "I JUST DON'T BELIEVE IT!!" when he was awarded a silver platter for his accomplishments absolutely made my whole weekend!

And "Dutchie" et al, there will be many shooters willing to let newcomers use rifles, including me and CyaN1de. We are going to work with Jerry and come up with a system to allow access to these guns.
 
If you're sitting on the fence, still trembling with anxiety about giving this a try :) The Frosty Farky is filling fast. Kamloops is the birthplace of F-Class! What better place to give it a try!

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=375065

From the names on the list I can tell you that there are plenty of newer shooters giving this a try with pretty basic equipment!

I would be willing to throw together a mini-orientation shoot for newcomers on the Friday before hand if there is enough interest!
 
Calvin, half the fun of the Farky is Sat dinner. Lots of fish stories told :)

I got my start in shooting because someone took me under his wing and spent alot of time and his money to get a 16yrs old lad shooting. We can only hope to one day pass on the favor.

Plus, there has to be some new shooter with keen eyesight and better coordination that can keep Cyan1de on his toes..... :)

Jerry
 
I would be willing to throw together a mini-orientation shoot for newcomers on the Friday before hand if there is enough interest!

I'll be coming out on the Friday and would be willing to help out with this. I can bring some extra rounds and (once I've got myself sighted in) I'm more than willing to let any newcomers use my rifle to see if they'd like to get into F class.
 
Well I just got my new rifle and Scope... I sure hope that I am the only person shooting in .308 catagory :)

I would like to be there for the friday seminar but that is work depending of course.

I got my new rifle by selling my pride and Joy (Beretta Silver Pigeon 687 C LTD Edition) and I don't think I will ever be able to afford another one... the F-class stuff sounds pricey but fun!

I am really excited to shoot in a match... it will give the nerves of shooting game but hey, it is just for fun.... Right?!

I also want to say thanks to Ian for putting up with my Spam e-mails and helping me out.. I really do appriciate it.

NwG Dutchie

(PS - the name NwG... stands for Nerd with Guns! hahahaha there is a long story behind it)
 
Dutchie

what you said about pricey is what EVERYONE says. The pricey part is building the gun YOU WANT.

I see so many people putting 1500-2000.00 into a off the shelf rifle to make it shoot like a full blown racer. Bottom line is IT IS NEVER GOING TO HAPPEN.

If everyone saved that money they are thinking of putting into accessories for there factory gun to trick it out they could have a full blown custom in short order. The other scenario is possibly selling a few pieces of which we all call our pride and joy to fund a build.

I tell you honestly once you have shot a custom rifle it is hard to go backwards.

I did the Rem 700 thing. I am glad I did but am sorry as well. I would never get the money back that I put into it minus the cost of the barrel. Now if it were a custom action that would be a different story.

What have I started to do? Sell off some of my rifles to fund another build. I just have to have another full blown racer versus a tricked out factory.

JMO

CBY
 
Hi Calvin,

I have played on both sides of that fence. There are notable exceptions. The Remington XR-100 is a typical factory rifle... some shoot very well, others shoot alright. With the addition of a match grade barrel and conversion to 6BR, this combo makes an exceptional F-Class rig. A winning F-Class rig can be built for well under 2 grand. Of course, finding them now is an issue. CyaN1de and I have both done well in competitions with this rifle.

Other notable exceptions include the Savage F-class line of rifles. The 6BR variants and the 6.5X284 variants shoot extremely well in their own right, not even considering they are a sub 2K factory rifle. These guns - in my mind - are the logical starting point for someone wanting to spend their money frugally and get the right equipment for starting in F-Class with minimal delays and minimal fuss. They are a purpose-built rifle, so they are not good for hunting or tactical shooting applications.

Winning an F-Class match requires a sub .5 MOA capable rifle. Winning BR requires a 0 MOA rifle. There is a huge equipment step between those two points, but one of the great things about F-Class is the fact that a person can indeed compete on reasonable terms with basic rifle that has upgrades in the right places.

Make no mistake, the F-Open class is extremely competitive and very few 308 or 223 shooters come close to the 6BR for accuracy. That's why they can compete in a class by htemsleves.

I have rifles with both custom actions and Remington actions and I really feel that 99% of the difference is in the quality of the barrel and how it was installed; BR shooters are the undisputed champs of extracting every possible ounce of consistency and I know that custom actions with BR tolerances are the way to go, but for F-Class going all-custom isn't as essential. BC Shooter and gun-builder Frank Oblak uses spiffed-up ancient Turkish Mauser actions on his F-Class rifles and he kicks serious butt!

Cheers!

Ian
 
Winning an F-Class match requires a sub .5 MOA capable rifle. Winning BR requires a 0 MOA rifle. There is a huge equipment step between those two points, but one of the great things about F-Class is the fact that a person can indeed compete on reasonable terms with basic rifle that has upgrades in the right places.

Ian


I assume that .5MOA @ 100m s and not at .5MOA @ 300m. Correct?:redface:
 
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