need some help with recommendations

dune said:
Some people pay $50 bucks for a tactical bolt knob and that doesn't include the cost to install it!!:bsFlag:
i bought mine for $30 bucks including shipping and to save money I have been researching so I can install it myself. So good luck.
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I agree that $50 is a bit extreme for a bolt knob, as we only sell ours for $34.99, but you can't expect that price installed.

A basic install takes me AT LEAST .5 hours. At a shop rate of $70/hour, I think $35 for an install is quite fair considering the time spent making the jigs (hours) is not factored into that price. I'm not going to lie, there is enough margin in there to make it worth my while but I'm not going to get filthy rich off it. :)

Doing your own install on anything is definitely the way go if you have the skills. It is the only way to learn. But you can't really knock a business for charging a nominal amount to do work that someone else would otherwise rather not do themselves.
 
"...Wikipedia is created from general information..." It's created by anybody with Internet access. Not a good source.
Effective range has little to do with accuracy.
Look into the cost of .338 Lapua ammo first. Runs around $7Cdn per shot.
 
TheManInBlack said:
Maybe you should pass by this post instead of being a snobby bottomless pocket elitest. It's people like you who turn people off of this sport. Not everyone has 3000 bucks laying around to buy a rifle. But some people think you have to spend alot of money to get stuff done. Some people know its the shooter not the gun.

Like when I got into 2 channel stereo and the guys from the sites who would come on the thread saying if you didnt have $3000 to not waste your time. I built my 2 channel with tube amp for less than 800 and I have guys from my forum that come to visit me and still cant believe what I've done.

So now I'm pissed up and ready to build my shooter for less than 600 bucks just to prove to the other new people here not to listen to the elitest people trying to bring you down
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Obtunded isn't being p*ssy, he's being practical.

Cheap factory ammo is about $110. I paid $16K for my .338LM because that's what I wanted.

As said earlier, a Stevens in .308 or .260 will do all you need out to 1K yds. You will need a decent scope (Bushnell 4200) and a good set of rings and bases.

Another rifle to look at is the Savage.
 
sunray said:
"...Wikipedia is created from general information..." It's created by anybody with Internet access. Not a good source.
Effective range has little to do with accuracy.
Look into the cost of .338 Lapua ammo first. Runs around $7Cdn per shot.
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:agree:
Effective range in my mind means the range at which the bullet still has enough energy to make a clean kill shot. Far less energy is needed to punch holes in paper or put a splat on a steel gong.

Back to the original poster. For plinking you can have lots of fun at 600 plus with the right .223. And like stated before start out with one that can be easily upgraded and go from there. I would recommend getting a good 20 MOA Rail and Rings right off the bat. They will most likely live with the action no matter what else you change over time.
 
Obtunded said:
fly at 'er bud. Nothing wrong with using inexpensive components. Hell, I just built a 6.5-08 on a $200 action. Building is the best and most cost-effective way to create the most accurate shooter and anyone here would tell you that. YOUR questions were about complete rifles.

...but being a "a snobby bottomless pocket elitest" abrogates my opinion on the matter.
Ian Hames
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I don't think Obtunded was being elitist at all my friend. He was just telling you the truth, that's all.
One cannot let sticker shock get the better of you.

Two years ago I lucked into my dream rifle for a steal, at somewhat over 1000 bucks. I consider myself very lucky to get it at this price.
(no scope, but with target peep sights)
Then, there are other required accessories, and they do add up in cost much faster than one's rifle price does.
I am never going to sell my dedicated target rifle and I myself, consider it a very worthwhile, lifelong investment.

Cheers......
 
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So the bad news is you're probably not going to get a precision rifle for $600. The good news is you CAN have a lot of fun blasting gongs or milk jugs at 1000yd with a $600 rig. Buy the best rifle you can for $400. In that price range a lightly used Savage or new Stevens is probably your best bet. Do a little reseach and spend some time bedding the action and free floating the barrel. For another $200 and some patience you may find a used Tikka. Personally, I'm not a fan of Remingtons (to put it politely). Unless someone here will sell you an expensive scope for $200, check out the Cabelas Pine Ridge tactical scopes. For $160 to $180 you can get a parallax adjustable scope with enough zoom and elevation to get you way out there. It won't be a precision rifle but chances are it'll shoot under one MOA. The ability to hit a 12" target at 1000yd has 90% to do with shooting ability and wind reading skills and 10% to do with laser-like accuracy from your rifle.

I do not have a "precision" rifle, but I have laid a few 12" targets to rest at 900yds with my Tikka T3 SS in .270win topped with a Cabelas 6-18X40 scope and factory ammo. I've just started load developement on it and fully expect to get it into the 1/4 MOA bracket with a little more tweaking.

Check out this excellent article by Mysticplayer for some inspiration if you decide to build a rifle instead.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=377637
 
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