Glock, good for a first pistol?

I ran IPSC with my G17 for a long time.
Recently I have done some Service pistol matches, and even with my NY2 (8 lb) trigger I win the "all rounds in the square" at 15-25 yards. It's a damn good pistol.

Generally tho, the best way to learn good pistol handling and technic is with a .22LR gun, the Ruger MK II series comes to mind.

You can't go wrong with a G17, and you can get the .22LR conversion for it.
 
capp325 said:
...From a practical standpoint, the "safe action" trigger and sub-par ergonomics make Glock a rather poor beginner pistol. It's no wonder that most Glock-shooting newbies I see at the range can hardly put shots on paper at a 5 yard distance...
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:rolleyes: (That's me, rolling my eyes at this statement.)

You can't go wrong with a Glock 17. I prefer a 19, but you can't go wrong either way.

You might want to replace the sights. Or not. You might want to replace the trigger. Or not.

You can't go wrong with either Glock.
 
Th Glock grip angle is actually a more natural angle.If you have your hands relaxed down by your sides and bring them up you will see that your top two knuckles of your hands are angled forward of your bottom two.Much like Martial artist teach you to hit with the top two knuckles.Or point @ an object and look at the angle of your hand.
The biggest drawback I have with the Sig is that I have to bend my wrist back a to have the sights line up.
Also the Glock sit much lower in the hand than most others. The low bore axis gives better muzzle flip control.I can shoot my Glock 23 (40 S&W) faster and more acurately one hand only than I can my my Sig 226(9MM).
 
Ranger Dave you need to not listen to 99 percent of the useless post you just read. The reason why so many people buy glocks and carry glocks is because they work. They are reliable, and they will save your life. Just not in Canada because the man has said you can't.
Ayone who buys a gun because it fit there hand is an idiot. You don't need there opinion. Look at this way would you go buy a car because you sat in it and the steering wheel fit your hand? The answer should be no. Go buy one and get some professional training with it. Yeah its square yeah its ugly and yeah it works. Don't worry about the Safe action, these people who tell you not to buy it are telling you that you are an idiot. They don't think your smart enough to press a button. They don't think your smart enough to keep your muzzle in a safe direction. You should be mad.
1. All guns are always loaded
2. Be sure of your target and what is beyond it
3. Never POINT your gun at anything your not willing to destroy. (Including your hands and legs and feet)
4. Keep your finger OFF the trigger until your sights are aligned and you have made the concious decision to shoot.

Thats it those are the 4 firearms safety rules. Memorize them they are the same no matter where you are in what part of world. Don't confuse them with range safety rules.
 
Spydr said:
Ranger Dave you need to not listen to 99 percent of the useless post you just read. The reason why so many people buy glocks and carry glocks is because they work. They are reliable, and they will save your life. Just not in Canada because the man has said you can't.
Ayone who buys a gun because it fit there hand is an idiot. You don't need there opinion. Look at this way would you go buy a car because you sat in it and the steering wheel fit your hand? The answer should be no. Go buy one and get some professional training with it. Yeah its square yeah its ugly and yeah it works. Don't worry about the Safe action, these people who tell you not to buy it are telling you that you are an idiot. They don't think your smart enough to press a button. They don't think your smart enough to keep your muzzle in a safe direction. You should be mad.
1. All guns are always loaded
2. Be sure of your target and what is beyond it
3. Never POINT your gun at anything your not willing to destroy. (Including your hands and legs and feet)
4. Keep your finger OFF the trigger until your sights are aligned and you have made the concious decision to shoot.

Thats it those are the 4 firearms safety rules. Memorize them they are the same no matter where you are in what part of world. Don't confuse them with range safety rules.
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:agree::agree:

TDC
 
Spydr said:
Ranger Dave you need to not listen to 99 percent of the useless post you just read. The reason why so many people buy glocks and carry glocks is because they work. They are reliable, and they will save your life. Just not in Canada because the man has said you can't.
Ayone who buys a gun because it fit there hand is an idiot. You don't need there opinion. Look at this way would you go buy a car because you sat in it and the steering wheel fit your hand? The answer should be no. Go buy one and get some professional training with it. Yeah its square yeah its ugly and yeah it works. Don't worry about the Safe action, these people who tell you not to buy it are telling you that you are an idiot. They don't think your smart enough to press a button. They don't think your smart enough to keep your muzzle in a safe direction. You should be mad.
1. All guns are always loaded
2. Be sure of your target and what is beyond it
3. Never POINT your gun at anything your not willing to destroy. (Including your hands and legs and feet)
4. Keep your finger OFF the trigger until your sights are aligned and you have made the concious decision to shoot.

Thats it those are the 4 firearms safety rules. Memorize them they are the same no matter where you are in what part of world. Don't confuse them with range safety rules.
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It must be awesome to to have one of the select few non idiotic posts the OP should consider :rolleyes:

While I agree that glocks are a reliable and safe pistol I disagree with the fact you don't need a gun to fit you. This is Canada and you shoot your handgun for recreation. Having a gun that fits your hand adds comfort and it makes it much easier to shoot accuratly right off the bat. I shoot better with my glock than my other pistols, and it's because it fits my hand the best. I don't have to consentrate on proper grip or technique because it comes naturaly when I pick the gun up.

So in short, if it feels right to YOU then yes a Glock is a great first pistol. There are lots of resources for learning about them, and a ton of fair priced aftermarket parts, and they have been proven to just plain work.
 
Ranger, If you have your heart set on a Glock? You have made a good choice.
As far as the Gun Shop Commandos who feel they have insult and dis respect those
who have a different view. These are the people who have little to offer.
Having the gun fit you well is conducive to using your fire arm efficiently.I have to laugh at the car analogy .While you would not buy a car just because the steering wheel felt good, Most of us would not buy a car if we couldnt reach the gas or brake pedal. Or we cant see over the dash. This why cars have adjustable seats and steering wheel.
Whats the current trend in hand gun manufacturing? Adjustable back straps. Why?So
the guns will fit a wider range of users.Most instructors are more concerned with
you using the gun you have efficiently that the gun you have. Pretty much every
major gun maker now makes a reliable gun.
Not every one thinks of him/herself as the a tactical God.Some just want to enjoy shooting.
We need as many new people into the game as possible we don't need to turn them off
because some one feels they he has to impose his will on others ( that is what Liberals do).
 
1300_stainless said:
It must be awesome to to have one of the select few non idiotic posts the OP should consider :rolleyes:

While I agree that glocks are a reliable and safe pistol I disagree with the fact you don't need a gun to fit you. This is Canada and you shoot your handgun for recreation. Having a gun that fits your hand adds comfort and it makes it much easier to shoot accuratly right off the bat. I shoot better with my glock than my other pistols, and it's because it fits my hand the best. I don't have to consentrate on proper grip or technique because it comes naturaly when I pick the gun up.

So in short, if it feels right to YOU then yes a Glock is a great first pistol. There are lots of resources for learning about them, and a ton of fair priced aftermarket parts, and they have been proven to just plain work.
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Not everyone believes or is willing to blindly follow the "rules and laws" regarding the use of firearms for personal defense. That aside, if your recreational shooting isn't in the form of competition or training you're a plinker or firearms collector. If you're the former, than comfort is irrelevant as form/technique is what makes the difference. If you're the later it(comfort) plays no part at all as collectors/plinkers don't shoot enough to notice a difference. Nor do they shoot with an intended goal such as improved performance(competitors) or personal defense(training).

The belief that a "comfortable" pistol that "fits" your hand is an excuse to disregard proper form/technique is ignorant. If you focus on your form/technique the make, model, calibre, or style of firearm in your hand has near zero influence on your performance. I agree that everyone has a different "comfort level" with each brand of firearm where some feel more natural than others. However, that should not be the primary factor considered when purchasing a pistol. As was mentioned previously, if you buy a pistol based on comfort, you're wrong.

TDC
 
So I was able to shoot a Glock for the first time and LOVED it. Thanks for everyones helpful advice and I hope to buy one soon.....I already ordered some trijicon night sights out of excitment.

PS. really gotta say as a yound guy whos into music that for every glock I see it a "rap video" I've seen 10 gold or cromed out desert eagles and or an Uzi.....its old to say this and makes you seem like my old school teaches who think that every rap song its about f**king hoes, its not my type of music I just like to be realalistic and not jump on the hate band wagon.

CHEERS
 
TDC said:
The belief that a "comfortable" pistol that "fits" your hand is an excuse to disregard proper form/technique is ignorant. If you focus on your form/technique the make, model, calibre, or style of firearm in your hand has near zero influence on your performance. I agree that everyone has a different "comfort level" with each brand of firearm where some feel more natural than others. However, that should not be the primary factor considered when purchasing a pistol. As was mentioned previously, if you buy a pistol based on comfort, you're wrong.

TDC
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I can respect you'r post as you didn't feel the need to call anyone an idiot. However, nowhere did I say it was an excuse to disregard proper form/technique, or that it should be the primary thing to consider when buying a pistol. It's one thing among many to consider. Frankly it's his pistol and he shouldn't listen to either of us. What makes him content/happy for whatever reason is what he should buy. As requested we're just sharing opinions, and everyones is different.

ranger_dave said:
So I was able to shoot a Glock for the first time and LOVED it. Thanks for everyones helpful advice and I hope to buy one soon.....I already ordered some trijicon night sights out of excitment.CHEERS
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Glad to hear it! I think you made a good choice.
 
I have never buy that old "fit the hands" argument neither. Do you seriously think that every LEO's or military personel can choose a gun that fit thier hands? No, because their boss give them a pistol and train them with this particular pistol. Anyway, as far as i know, every pistol and revolver are designed to fit humans hands, no?

Congrats with your purchase, you will not be disapointed. I have shoot pistols that is almost twice the price of the Glock and i always come back to my good ol' G17.
 
1300_stainless said:
It must be awesome to to have one of the select few non idiotic posts the OP should consider :rolleyes:

While I agree that glocks are a reliable and safe pistol I disagree with the fact you don't need a gun to fit you. This is Canada and you shoot your handgun for recreation. Having a gun that fits your hand adds comfort and it makes it much easier to shoot accuratly right off the bat. I shoot better with my glock than my other pistols, and it's because it fits my hand the best. I don't have to consentrate on proper grip or technique because it comes naturaly when I pick the gun up.

So in short, if it feels right to YOU then yes a Glock is a great first pistol. There are lots of resources for learning about them, and a ton of fair priced aftermarket parts, and they have been proven to just plain work.
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Here's where I had issue with your post. Believing that a "comfortable" grip will facilitate great results over simply focusing on form/technique is plain wrong. I've never shot a pistol that was "uncomfortable" or painful(aside from some magnum revolvers).

You're right about the OP making his own decision. What should be anyone's primary focus is purpose. Knowing what one wants out of their firearm(s) prior to buying one will greatly reduce the possibility of purchasing a lemon.

TDC
 
TDC said:
Here's where I had issue with your post. Believing that a "comfortable" grip will facilitate great results over simply focusing on form/technique is plain wrong. I've never shot a pistol that was "uncomfortable" or painful(aside from some magnum revolvers).

You're right about the OP making his own decision. What should be anyone's primary focus is purpose. Knowing what one wants out of their firearm(s) prior to buying one will greatly reduce the possibility of purchasing a lemon.

TDC
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Prehaps I should have worded it better. What I mean to say is for example when I shoot my 1911 I have to really focus on my grip placement (just one element of technique/form) to make sure it is correct, when I pick up my glock my hand is naturally placed where it should be so I can consentrate on other things. This may not be true for someone else.

A good shooter should be able to pick up and fire any pistol. However if you're in the situation where you can choose your firearm, (IE recreation, competition, etc) you might as well get something that you prefer in your hand, provided it meets the other requirements or its intented use.
 
So what is the primary reason for buying a gun? Now its purpose of use, previously
it was reliability.
What are the basics/fundamentals of shooting hand guns?
Stance
PROPER GRIP
sight picture
breathing
trigger control.
all good pro instructors stress these.
If you have small hands or short fingers and cannot reach the trigger to properly
engage it ,or if you have to monkey grip the gun to engage the trigger then this is not
the best gun for you.
I also don't have problem with most guns.But I'm not so arrogant to think that
everyone else falls into the same group.
Why do you shoot 9mm.Why don't you shoot a Glock 20 or 21 or D eagle.
( in a previous post belittled a poster saying that shooting 40S &W will help you
develop a flinch. does this mean that you flinch when you shoot anything larger than
the 9mm) Maybe because your 9mm allows you to shoot more efficiently.
I have been In classes run buy pros who have suggested to shooters to consider other
pistols because the student couldn't handle the gun correctly and safely because the
gun was too big for the shooter.
I introduce dozens of new shooters every year and not everyone shoots the same guns
as efficiently as others nor do they getting into shooting for the same reason.
I give them option and show them diff tech and they decide. I don't insult them
or tell them they are wrong.
 
1300_stainless said:
Prehaps I should have worded it better. What I mean to say is for example when I shoot my 1911 I have to really focus on my grip placement (just one element of technique/form) to make sure it is correct, when I pick up my glock my hand is naturally placed where it should be so I can consentrate on other things. This may not be true for someone else.

A good shooter should be able to pick up and fire any pistol. However if you're in the situation where you can choose your firearm, (IE recreation, competition, etc) you might as well get something that you prefer in your hand, provided it meets the other requirements or its intented use.
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Agreed, the natural "comfort" of a pistol is nice to have but should be considered after several other more important factors.

TDC
 
Ranger

Not sure why they call them night sights, they work in low light. Night sights to me are flashlights mounted to your gun. Anyway, Depending on what your actually going to be training to do with your gun be it competetion or self defense. I and others will highly suggest XS big dot sights for the latter.
http:
//www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQVCeJ103BQ

If your doing competetion than you made a good choice.
 
Rotek.
The basics of shooting handguns is sight picture(alignment), trigger control, and follow through.

Of course this is Canada so why would anyone train for self defence?
 
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