There is no "Court Ordered Ruling" because no crown attorney has ever taken anyone to court on it... since it is not illegal. He might want to charge you but he won't be able to... he'll be told to withdraw the charges and give you back your stuff. He'll look like an idiot because he obviously does not understand the law or the charges he's threatening to lay.
Tell him to ask the crown if what he's suggesting is in fact the law... he will be told the reality. It is NOT illegal to use a pistol magazine in a rifle... if the magazine itself is classified as "legal" to hold 10 rounds then it's a legal item regardless of the firearm in which it is used. If he doesn't believe or understand that then have him contact Bill Etter at the FRT Tables Section in Ottawa (or Murray Smith) and perhaps they will take the time to educate your friend. He can also contact people at the OPP run CFO's office in Orillia (I was there when they were informed by CFC that the LAR-15 magazines were legal and legal for use in AR rifles). This was also the subject of a Bulletin sent out from CFC two years ago by RCMP... so there's not excuse for your friend not "knowing" this.
There used to be a posting on the CFC website about this as it originally applied to the use of Beretta pistol magazines in a Beretta Storm rifle... specifically stated the legality and that using pistol magazines in a rifle is perfectly legal. The RCMP classification letter (of the LAR-15 magazines) also states this very clearly.
Your OPP friend's ignorance is showing and the sad part is that his job requires that he actually know and understand this stuff. Bet him money and then enjoy the look on his face when he's forced to pay you off
Mark
Get as many buddies of yours as you can to show up at the range with their ARs and all their 10 round mags. Invite your OPP buddy to join you and make sure it's a time when he's clearly on the clock.
Ask him to charge you and all your buddies for that mag offence. Maybe even arrange for it to be 'media day', and have some of the local radio and paper guys on hand. A big bust like this will be a real big deal; it'll probably get a lot of air time when you're all 'taken down'. He can be a big hero for getting all those prohib guns off the street.
He may not want to drink beer with you when all is said and done. Also make sure he's not the type to hold a grudge.
Ask him to charge you and all your buddies for that mag offence. Maybe even arrange for it to be 'media day', and have some of the local radio and paper guys on hand. A big bust like this will be a real big deal; it'll probably get a lot of air time when you're all 'taken down'. He can be a big hero for getting all those prohib guns off the street.
He may not want to drink beer with you when all is said and done. Also make sure he's not the type to hold a grudge.
I think what everyone is missing is not that they are legal, but the fact there could be a period of time from the moment your items are seized and you are placed under arrest, and the point where they realize there is a mix up, give you back your stuff and let you go.
Personally, I carry the documentation with me when I go to the range to avoid the above scenario - regardless of how likely or unlikely it is to happen.
Personally, I carry the documentation with me when I go to the range to avoid the above scenario - regardless of how likely or unlikely it is to happen.
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What docs are you speaking of? - I printed the docs from Questar's site. I cannot find doc's on CFC's site (search is useless)...
Is it pinned?
Why do we call it a 10/30?
Lets call it a 10 round mag. That is what it is.
If it is manufactured so as to only hold 10 rounds. i.e the interior dimensions only allows 10 rounds....with NO possibility of inserting 30 rounds, It has a short spring in it, etc
It should be 100% no problem. Just be cause it is long should not make it a no-no.
+1 to that. And I have the good fortune of being able to produce an example the pistol that the mags were designed for. Thank you baby jebus!
What "LAR15 30 round pistol mag"? The only LAR15 30/10 pistol magazine that I've ever seen (3 actually) were made for us several years ago and submitted to CFC/RCMP Tables Section for classification. The written classification was that they were NOT deemed to meet the legal requirements as a magazine designed and manufactured for use in a pistol and therefore were classified as "Prohibited Devices". The ruling went further and specifically stated that "no full length 30 round AR style magazine" would be considered to be anything but a "Rifle" design and therefore permitted no more than 5 round capacity.
So... if you have seen a LAR15 30/10 pistol magazine I would be very interested in seeing the written classification from RCMP that confirmed them to be classified as Pistol magazines permitted a capacity of 10 rounds. I've stated this before and have yet to see any confirmation. I've also inquired with RCMP in Ottawa to see if they are aware of any 30/10 round AR Pistol magazines being approved and they have denied any knowledge of such approval or classification.
I'm also not aware of Rock River Arms giving anyone permission to use their LAR-15 (trademarked brand) on a 30/10 pistol magazine and I know that they themselves do NOT manufacture any such item.
I would suggest that, in the absence of a written classification from RCMP Tables Section stating that a 30/10 design has been approved as a legal 10 round Pistol Magazine, such a magazine design is a "Prohibited Device" until some court rules otherwise.
Just my .02 cents worth.
Mark
Email me tomorrow and remind me... I will upload the Word Doc and post a link so anyone who wants it can download it off our site.
It used to be up there but I think it got missed when we transitioned from the old website to the new ShopQuestar.com site.
The latest version of the RCMP approval showed the approval of the two current versions of LAR15 Pistol Magazines (.223/5.56 and 9mm)... it also stated in the document that a magazine legal for use as a 10 round pistol magazine can be used in ANY firearm that it fits (pistol or rifle) without change in it's classification.
Mark
You must remember -
OPP are traffic cops - accidents and radar tickets - they have very little experience in criminal matters because of there jurisdiction (except in far north) - so anything under the c.c.c - dont listen - especially over a beer --
OPP are traffic cops - accidents and radar tickets - they have very little experience in criminal matters because of there jurisdiction (except in far north) - so anything under the c.c.c - dont listen - especially over a beer --
Gee, if he charges me can I sue for malicious prosecution/harassment/discrimination??? After all, he was obviously willfully disregarding the law. Maybe it's just me, but I'd probably invite him out shooting and use the 10 rounder.
PS, what would he do with a 40S&W mag that holds 12 rounds of 9mm???
PS, what would he do with a 40S&W mag that holds 12 rounds of 9mm???
Probably pepper spray you and follow it up with a Taser chaser.
OPP are traffic cops - accidents and radar tickets - they have very little experience in criminal matters because of there jurisdiction (except in far north) - so anything under the c.c.c - dont listen - especially over a beer --
Hmmm, I have to take issue with your allegation that the OPP are mainly beat cops.
The OPP do have extensive expertise in investigative areas as well. For example, the provincial weapons enforcement unit, firearms office, the gang unit, drug unit, witness protection, illicit gambling unit, fraud unit, repeat offender enforcement unit, anti-terrorism unit, VIP protection, unsolved crimes unit, missing persons unit, intelligence gathering units, etc......
