1000fps Pellet Rifle, which one do I buy guys??
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Weirauch HW77 or HW97, just shy of 1000fps. Just ordered a HW77K in .20, should have it in a couple weeks. Get a good quality gun that'll last you a couple lifetimes and be done with it. Velocity shouldn't be the deciding factor in your decision though.
I'm going traditional with a Williams apeture w/knobs just for simplicity, got enough scoped rifles anyway.
I'm going traditional with a Williams apeture w/knobs just for simplicity, got enough scoped rifles anyway.
I second the German offerings if you want to go the springer route (I have a 48 in .177, shoots 8.2s at just over 1000, very smooth, very accurate). If big FPE is what you are after, then the precharged guns are where it is at.
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Its not 1000 fps but it does 850fps the Weihrauch HW50S. I was searching for the 1000 fps rifle too but after a few i went with the 50. The barrel is 14 inches so it balances a little better than most, it has a little less cocking force which is nice plinking all day but it takes humane kills at 50 yrds on grackles etc. Diana 34s and others with 19 inch barrels can be very forward heavy and awkward.
Another one i had for a while was the Weihrauch HW85 powerful and superb quality.
Most of weihrauch's come in carbine models if you ask.
Then for me the next down the ladder is the diana 34 and the wicked diana 350 magnum.
I fired one, hold on tight they are wicked powerful.
IanC
Another one i had for a while was the Weihrauch HW85 powerful and superb quality.
Most of weihrauch's come in carbine models if you ask.
Then for me the next down the ladder is the diana 34 and the wicked diana 350 magnum.
I fired one, hold on tight they are wicked powerful.
IanC
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I am with nabiul on this one. Most if not all airguns that are advertised at 1000 FPS are not. A lot of guns (Gamo especially) are advertised much higher but they are using ultra light pellets (Raptors). Take it from a guy that has more than 30 different brands, weights and styles of pellets these pellets do not shoot. None of my guns will keep 5 shots on your hand at 25 yards with Raptor pellets. With other pellets all of my guns will keep 5 shots in your fingernail at that distance. Pellet selection is the number one thing with airguns as far as accuracy goes... and accuracy beats speed anyday!
I have 6 (3 .177 and 3 .22) air guns right now. I have an older .177 BSA Lightning that is around 850 FPS. I have shot many, many coons with this gun. Right shot placement and right distance... (Ear canal... and very close)
I have a .177 Diana 54 that hangs around 1060 FPS. This thing is violent on scopes and rings... but is one of my favourites... raw, accurate power. I have video of shooting it from 30 yards through 7 inches of water...(Washer fluid jug)... penetrated both sides. Did I mention this gun is VERY heavy to carry and load?
But my favourite is my Benjamin/Crosman .177 Discovery (bought from Speacility Shooting Sports) This thing is a tack driver with Crosman Premier pellets! It shoots around 960 FPS. It is a bit noisy in the report department but I can handle that (not residential friendly) . It is almost recoil free and the gun is very light weight... makes for a fun day of carrying/hunting. I get about 30/35 shots from a full cylinder with no point of aim issues.
With any of these guns if it is inside of 50 yards you had better be prepared to take home what you are shooting at.
The 3 .22's are inexpensive Crosmans that we use for plinking and having fun. They are very accurate also but shoot under 500 FPS.
There have been a lot of great opinions on this thread. I would not hesitate to grab a Diana mod 34 or any model. I would also recommend a Weihrauch in darn near any model. The Discovery is a great gun but some people don't like Precharged Pneumatic guns because you need to have the pump. The springer guns are "self contained". I would definitely stay away from anything Gamo makes. I have had a few and they can shoot with a lot of work but the others suggested here will probably shoot well right out of the box
Just remember... the faster a spring gun is the harder it is on scopes.
Hope this helps.
araz2114
I am with nabiul on this one. Most if not all airguns that are advertised at 1000 FPS are not. A lot of guns (Gamo especially) are advertised much higher but they are using ultra light pellets (Raptors). Take it from a guy that has more than 30 different brands, weights and styles of pellets these pellets do not shoot. None of my guns will keep 5 shots on your hand at 25 yards with Raptor pellets. With other pellets all of my guns will keep 5 shots in your fingernail at that distance. Pellet selection is the number one thing with airguns as far as accuracy goes... and accuracy beats speed anyday!
I have 6 (3 .177 and 3 .22) air guns right now. I have an older .177 BSA Lightning that is around 850 FPS. I have shot many, many coons with this gun. Right shot placement and right distance... (Ear canal... and very close)
I have a .177 Diana 54 that hangs around 1060 FPS. This thing is violent on scopes and rings... but is one of my favourites... raw, accurate power. I have video of shooting it from 30 yards through 7 inches of water...(Washer fluid jug)... penetrated both sides. Did I mention this gun is VERY heavy to carry and load?
But my favourite is my Benjamin/Crosman .177 Discovery (bought from Speacility Shooting Sports) This thing is a tack driver with Crosman Premier pellets! It shoots around 960 FPS. It is a bit noisy in the report department but I can handle that (not residential friendly) . It is almost recoil free and the gun is very light weight... makes for a fun day of carrying/hunting. I get about 30/35 shots from a full cylinder with no point of aim issues.
With any of these guns if it is inside of 50 yards you had better be prepared to take home what you are shooting at.
The 3 .22's are inexpensive Crosmans that we use for plinking and having fun. They are very accurate also but shoot under 500 FPS.
There have been a lot of great opinions on this thread. I would not hesitate to grab a Diana mod 34 or any model. I would also recommend a Weihrauch in darn near any model. The Discovery is a great gun but some people don't like Precharged Pneumatic guns because you need to have the pump. The springer guns are "self contained". I would definitely stay away from anything Gamo makes. I have had a few and they can shoot with a lot of work but the others suggested here will probably shoot well right out of the box
Just remember... the faster a spring gun is the harder it is on scopes.
Hope this helps.
araz2114
Over a period of 14 months I used a Winchester/Diana 800 FPS 177. It was used a lot as a pest control measure at our plant site...it did have to be registered though. After well over 1000 shots the spring broke...absolutely no possible way of getting a new spring after three months of research and emails. SO, a 1000 fps is our next project.
BTW, over that period of time the gun harvested, 122 pigeons, 95 magpies, 2 crows(by accident) and one beaver...you may have noticed, it is not a great ratio of rounds expended to critter shot. The gun did have a wandering zero with the air rifle scope, and needed regular re-zeroing. Yes I have a permit issued by the local constabulary to harvest pests. It is great to be able to go to work and shoot.
Cheers
BTW, over that period of time the gun harvested, 122 pigeons, 95 magpies, 2 crows(by accident) and one beaver...you may have noticed, it is not a great ratio of rounds expended to critter shot. The gun did have a wandering zero with the air rifle scope, and needed regular re-zeroing. Yes I have a permit issued by the local constabulary to harvest pests. It is great to be able to go to work and shoot.
Cheers
I doubt it's shooting anywhere near 999fps. I'll bet the pump might do 500 or 600fps on a good day. That's plenty but I just can't believe one would shoot 999fps in 177 and know it can't in 22 cal.
If I recall, it is a Model 800.
It is at work right now.
The boss actually said to go buy another one...I nearly fell over as the company paid for the first one.
Thanks a million.
Cheers
peter2772000
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Wow, what an informative thread. I've been itchin' fer another air rifle (though my nasty, hard-hittin' .22 Crosman barely sees the light of day...).
I've learned alot thru this thread. Thanks guys
).I've learned alot thru this thread. Thanks guys
xring_assassin
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Anything Gamo is garbage...pretty much for that matter anything you can get from Canadian Tire is garbage. Gamo is at Canadian Tire and is, therefore, TRUE garbage
I have to throw in a second vote for airforce condor....get it filled with co2 - quiets it down and more shots per cylinder than pumping it up (someone needs to tell me WHY that is). WICKEDLY accurate....fun to play squirrel sniper from 40-50 yards in my backyard.
I've had mine a month - no problems yet - I would hope not for the price
I have to throw in a second vote for airforce condor....get it filled with co2 - quiets it down and more shots per cylinder than pumping it up (someone needs to tell me WHY that is). WICKEDLY accurate....fun to play squirrel sniper from 40-50 yards in my backyard.
I've had mine a month - no problems yet - I would hope not for the price
I have a .22cal Condor, in the middle of selling it, great PCP for hunting, absolute raw power... you can push a 28gr pellet @ 1000+fps BUT LOUD as heck so it's not back yard friendly if your neighboroughs are nearby, it sounds like your firing off a sub-sonic, push the pellet 1150+fps by adjusting the tophat and you'll get the "crack" and it's sounds like your shooting a rim fire. I compare the Condor to driving a Ford Mustang, purely raw power and un-refined but highly tunable that you can do yourself.
If PCP is your flavor and $$$ is not a concern than look into a AA S410, just bought one in .22cal. It's like driving a Mercedes or a BMW, it's got power AND very refined... you do get what you pay for. Plus it's got a factory built shroud so it's quite and adjustable power for close-up small pest control. With 14.3 gr pellets I chronied at full power @ 980fps, med @ 840fps and at the lowest setting 488fps.
The thing to remember with springers is that they are very hard on regular rifle scopes because of the double recoil a springer produces.
Both springer and PCP both have their pros and cons. I've now tasted both side and much prefer PCP now that I have a scuba tank to refill from.
Lastly, I'll say again... for the most part you do get what you pay for.
If PCP is your flavor and $$$ is not a concern than look into a AA S410, just bought one in .22cal. It's like driving a Mercedes or a BMW, it's got power AND very refined... you do get what you pay for. Plus it's got a factory built shroud so it's quite and adjustable power for close-up small pest control. With 14.3 gr pellets I chronied at full power @ 980fps, med @ 840fps and at the lowest setting 488fps.
The thing to remember with springers is that they are very hard on regular rifle scopes because of the double recoil a springer produces.
Both springer and PCP both have their pros and cons. I've now tasted both side and much prefer PCP now that I have a scuba tank to refill from.
Lastly, I'll say again... for the most part you do get what you pay for.
peter2772000
CGN frequent flyer
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- Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Question;
I own an HVAC business and therefore, pressurized nitrogen is readily available to me. I can regulate the secondary pressure from 1 psi all the way up to 300-400 psi. I could theoretically charge a smaller secondary bottle (easier to tote) with up to 200-300 psi and then use that for recharging the rifle.
- I imagine that nitrogen would be ok to use, wouldn't it?
- Seeing that nitrogen displaces moisture, would that be a better alternative?
- How much pressure can a PCP handle?
EDIT: Ok, Googled the Condor and I see I'm not the first to think of using nitrogen. Here I was, believing I might be elevated to sainthood for coming up with this brilliant idea...
http://www.airforceairguns.com/condor.html
One thing that the AirForce site doesn't mention is how many rounds can you fire at max speeds. It states a hundred shots at low-medium settings using the Micro-Meter spare tank, but I can't find specs on the OEM tank full-out
I own an HVAC business and therefore, pressurized nitrogen is readily available to me. I can regulate the secondary pressure from 1 psi all the way up to 300-400 psi. I could theoretically charge a smaller secondary bottle (easier to tote) with up to 200-300 psi and then use that for recharging the rifle.
- I imagine that nitrogen would be ok to use, wouldn't it?
- Seeing that nitrogen displaces moisture, would that be a better alternative?
- How much pressure can a PCP handle?
EDIT: Ok, Googled the Condor and I see I'm not the first to think of using nitrogen. Here I was, believing I might be elevated to sainthood for coming up with this brilliant idea...
http://www.airforceairguns.com/condor.html
One thing that the AirForce site doesn't mention is how many rounds can you fire at max speeds. It states a hundred shots at low-medium settings using the Micro-Meter spare tank, but I can't find specs on the OEM tank full-out
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Nitrogen is ok as well... dry and stable. Been used in PCP and Paintball for a long time now. But the cost, size and weight of a fill tank
but you get alot more refills on the guns tank.200 - 300 psi will get your pellet stuck 1/4 way down the barrel, not exactly sure on the numbers but 2000+psi. Remember, the air we breath is mainly N2.
The micro meter tank works like a Co2 tank. I can't remember the exact numbers on the MM tank but I beleive they're in the 700fps and lower range and that's with the 24" barrel, lower fps with the shorter barrels. My 12oz paintball Co2 tank spits out 14.3gr CP pellets at 630fps average and I get well over 100 shots.
Not sure on the cost of a AF MM tank but my 120z paintball tank cost me $30 with the butt plate. Down side to Co2 is it's temperature sensitive.
peter2772000
CGN frequent flyer
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- Montreal, Quebec, Canada
Nitrogen is ok as well... dry and stable. Been used in PCP and Paintball for a long time now. But the cost, size and weight of a fill tank
200 - 300 psi will get your pellet stuck 1/4 way down the barrel, not exactly sure on the numbers but 2000+psi. Remember, the air we breath is mainly N2.
The micro meter tank works like a Co2 tank. I can't remember the exact numbers on the MM tank but I beleive they're in the 700fps and lower range and that's with the 24" barrel, lower fps with the shorter barrels. My 12oz paintball Co2 tank spits out 14.3gr CP pellets at 630fps average and I get well over 100 shots.
Not sure on the cost of a AF MM tank but my 120z paintball tank cost me $30 with the butt plate. Down side to Co2 is it's temperature sensitive.
Yeah, I realized afterwards that the tank held such high pressures. Still not an issue for me though. Just a matter of getting the right adapter to be able to charge directly from my nitrogen tank (we usually have anywhere from 4-20 bottles in stock) without using a regulator. Which is why I mentioned 300 psi, I'd never have thought that the general public would be exposed to 2-3k psi bottles.
Oh, and nitrogen is temp. sensitive as well.
