Reducing recoil on a AR

Guerrilla said:
Whats the best muzzle brake to use to reduce recoil???
I have been looking at the noveske kx3 ...flaming piggy... Anything better???

i know theres not much recoil but I want to get it down as much as possible. I wanna get back on target as fast as i can.
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Man-up and do some pushups.
or get a 10/22
 
Can't speak to recoil but the Miculek compensator totally eliminated muzzle flip for me. You could see that weird ripple-mirage thing when the bullet travelled to the target... super cool! Same effect as looking at your reflection in the lake and dropping a pebble in. Anyhow, it was designed by world champion speed shooter Jerry Miculek and used by him to great effect - works for me too. Maybe try an Enidine buffer to reduce bolt bounce and recoil - never tried one myself though. Oh, and ignore the he-men who seem to be missing the point of your question...:p
Cheers
 
Funny to see a lot of guys saying "there is no recoil don't be a #####."

Elite shooters these days - competition and professional tactical shooters as well - seem to all be using brakes. Why? Because their goal is not to look tough on the internet...it's to put rounds on target as fast and efficiently as possible.

Or are guys like Larry Vickers and Chris Costa just some nancies who need to do some damn pushups?

I agree there isn't a lot of recoil from an AR platform...I rarely shoot anything that is not .30 or bigger myself. But the goal is not "deal with recoil so e-tough guys think you're e-tough", the goal is "make your gun as effective as possible and make yourself as effective as possible with your gun.

I don't have a brake on any of my guns because I don't do enough fast shooting to warrant the effort. If I were running an AR I would almost certainly put on a comp/brake because it would make me faster and more accurate, and able to be more accurate, faster.
 
Put down the AR and run a few dozen rounds through a M1 Garand or similar rifle, now pick up and fire your AR.

Recoil reduced.
 
I consider myself to be a recoil wuss, but an AR in 5.56 is not much more recoil than my 10/22. Now if you are reducing it for the wife I can understand. I agree with H20
 
You could see that weird ripple-mirage thing when the bullet travelled to the target... super cool!
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If you have a solid position you can see "Swirl" with a stock C7A1 with a 3.4X Elcan. Buy ammo and shoot that is where you will make the most gains, on the range.
 
misanthropist said:
Funny to see a lot of guys saying "there is no recoil don't be a #####."

Elite shooters these days - competition and professional tactical shooters as well - seem to all be using brakes. Why? Because their goal is not to look tough on the internet...it's to put rounds on target as fast and efficiently as possible.

Or are guys like Larry Vickers and Chris Costa just some nancies who need to do some damn pushups?

I agree there isn't a lot of recoil from an AR platform...I rarely shoot anything that is not .30 or bigger myself. But the goal is not "deal with recoil so e-tough guys think you're e-tough", the goal is "make your gun as effective as possible and make yourself as effective as possible with your gun.
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^^^^^^ I agree
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Honestly 99% of shooter would do better with more aqmo - and above that real training class with a good shooter.

Jerry Barnhart runs a Triple Tap BTW ;)

With our 16" Sr-25 Battle Rifle with the 7.62 Triple Tap and can usually keep up with some good shooters in 5.56mm who are using stock M4'S or Mk18's...

Recoil management is about technique, experience and mechanical advatages from brakes.

Those who don't think the AR has recoil -- try to engage multiple targets using one and not using one...
 
:eek: Is the MSRP for the KAC TT $437.00 ??



If I really needed a brake I think I would spend $55.00 on a 5.56mm DC (Direct Connect) brake or $45.00 on
a 5.56mm NATO Muzzle Brake (both are made by SEI) and spend the hundreds of dollars I saved on ammo.









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I've been running a Dlask made Miculek clone in .30 Cal, the one with the gaping big side ports, on all my SHORTY M14 rifles.

This design definitely does a very good job of minimising felt recoil and muzzle flip on the more powerful .308/ 7.62 ammo in the shorty 18 3/4" barrels. I do however, get a LOT of comments from other shooters beside me on the range, about how LOUD they are.

Compensater design is a lot more complicated than simply scaling up or down, and I find the exact same design in .223/5.56, doesn't seem to me to have as dramatic an effect.
Maybe there is less recoil to begin with, so the decrease is less noticeable. Or maybe there is less gas volume, or less residual port pressure left at the comp in .223/5.56, to really work with those massive gaping gas ports. So in .223, maybe smaller ports, and more of them, might provide a better gas flow "jetting" effect, which provides better muzzle flip reduction.

Way back in the 1980s, when I first started building comped pistols for IPSC, I found personal preference about "feel" had as much to do with successful comp design, as did the physics involved. Balancing the muzzle flip reduction to the shooter's personal style, and the ammunitoion, could give an individual pistol shooter nearly perfect double taps ... with the pistol coming down to exactly the correct spot just in time for tne shooter to trip off that second round WITHOUT an extra sight picture.

Obviously, with rifles, there is a different set of design parameters, and exact timing and personally tailored muzzle flip reduction are not as critical. With a rifle, especially a semi auto rifle or even a FA, you want to get muzzle flip as close to zero, consistently, as you can.

And for the .223/5.56, I'd bet several smaller gas jets precisely tailored to the loads can achieve this fairly consistently. Keep in mind that several factors, that can vary with ammunition selection, can effect the "feel" of even a rifle comp. Factors such as residual port pressure, are effected by barrel length, powder selection, burning rate, bullet weight etc.

I just picked up a bunch of the YHM combo Compensater/Flash Hider. I'll be doing some side by side testing to see how these "feel" against the Dlask/Miceluk designs.

I'll post the results.
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I run a full length gas system and Surefire MB556K on a 16 inch heavy barreled upper with a KAC URX as my fun/competition rifle, very little felt recoil,almost no climb it's a thing of beauty. The only other recommendations I could make would be the PWS KAC556,or the Toy Medieval Muzzle Brake 5.56mm , both are very effective .I use the Troy on my Colt LE Carbine, it is also very effective and the least expensive of the bunch.
Now if a KAC Triple tap was to fall into my hands all other bets would be off.
 
Goozyman said:
Mosin M44 would make them curl up in the fetal position and suck their thumb after 2 rounds.
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The guy is referring to quick follow-up shots (i.e. muzzle climb), not hurting his shoulder. I shoot heavy duty firearms also but still like to reduce muzzle climb on my AR... and no I don't wear a sissy pad for my 12GA ;):p
Cheers
 
I got an ENDYNE recoil buffer...it's a hydrolic buffer, gets rid of the bolt carrier "bounce" in the buffer tube, slows down the cycle rate, and reduces the recoil....I love it :)...check it out.
 
AR's have recoil??
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wow some people just don't have a clue.
I CANT SAY IT ANY BETTER THAN THIS

Funny to see a lot of guys saying "there is no recoil don't be a #####."

Elite shooters these days - competition and professional tactical shooters as well - seem to all be using brakes. Why? Because their goal is not to look tough on the internet...it's to put rounds on target as fast and efficiently as possible.

Or are guys like Larry Vickers and Chris Costa just some nancies who need to do some damn pushups?

I agree there isn't a lot of recoil from an AR platform...I rarely shoot anything that is not .30 or bigger myself. But the goal is not "deal with recoil so e-tough guys think you're e-tough", the goal is "make your gun as effective as possible and make yourself as effective as possible with your gun.

I don't have a brake on any of my guns because I don't do enough fast shooting to warrant the effort. If I were running an AR I would almost certainly put on a comp/brake because it would make me faster and more accurate, and able to be more accurate, faster.
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