M14 pounds Troy vs Sage EBR vs stock
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Mine is equipped with the troy chassis, a big scope and is quite heavy. However, if you have been used to carry a heavy machine gun (C6) in the infantry reserve for 16 years like i did... it's not so bad. Just need a good 1.5" sling.
Sorry, i don't have a balance at home to accurately weigh it. Like the other guy said about his setup, approx. 14 pounds would be a good estimate.
my setup (picture is slightly out-of-date):
Norc M14S, springfield bolt, rooster33 guide rod and couple other USGI parts.
Troy MCS chassis
Ergo suregrip
Magpul CTR... i have the 1/2" cheek riser on its way
Rock mount bipod with Larue QD adapter
ADM recon mount (not in the picture)
Falcon Menace scope 4-18X56mm IR (i can also swap it with the Falcon Menace 1.5-5x IR on an chinese clone of ARMS #19 mount, which also works great).
Next step: cutting the barrel and installing the PWS FSC30 muzzle break.
Can I offer some free advice on munimula stocks?
Keeping in mind that
free advice on the internet may be worth much less than you paid for it,
and,
YPMMV
It ain't the weight that is so critical ....
it is the balance and the feel and the handling that really make a difference.
After actually holding several munimala stocks in my own two hands, I came to the conclusion that the one that balances best for me was the Canadian made AKM.
And after mounting a shorty 18 3/4" barreled M14 in the AKM stock, and comparing it to the regular 22" barrel, I came to the conclusion that the shorty barrel was INFINITELY better for feel, balance, handling, and fast shooting.
And after a bit of time with my AKM stock, I came to the conclusion that a close encounter with Mr Chop Saw was in order. The AKM CHOP MOD NM14 shorty varient I ended up with, was the best compromise between weight and handling I've personally experienced in an MUNIMULA stock.
With scope, my AKM CHOP MOD came in at almost exactly 5 Kgs/11 lbs.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=358481
But I still like my USGI Fiberglass stock, with Butler Creek folder even better.
As I've said several times before, I am working on a DO-IT-YOURSELF alloy stock design using munimula tubing as the major structural components. Once you get the receiver locked down into an alloy bedding framework, as fugly as it may seem, it is usable.
But, it truly is FUGLY!!!!!
Imagine a 2"x4" plank, with an M14 somehow embedded inside it.
However,
the alloy tubing gives you the necessary hi strength structural foundation, to laminate on any cosmetic exterior materials you want. I've been thinking foam covered by kevlar or carbon fiber for my prototypes, but why not some nice laminated contrasting hardwood [ similar to a BOYDs ].
Either of these would be much easier to form and shape into whatever exterior custom configuration you desired, than more munimula. But I also like the adaptability and versatility and the strength to weight ratio of munimula, so my early designs use more alloy tubing for:
1.] free floating the barrel at the op rod guide.
2.] rear mounting block for a folder
3.] extendible rear butt stock
4.] alloy rail/handguard
Stay tuned for more ...
[;{)
LAZ 1
Keeping in mind that
free advice on the internet may be worth much less than you paid for it,
and,
YPMMV
It ain't the weight that is so critical ....
it is the balance and the feel and the handling that really make a difference.
After actually holding several munimala stocks in my own two hands, I came to the conclusion that the one that balances best for me was the Canadian made AKM.
And after mounting a shorty 18 3/4" barreled M14 in the AKM stock, and comparing it to the regular 22" barrel, I came to the conclusion that the shorty barrel was INFINITELY better for feel, balance, handling, and fast shooting.
And after a bit of time with my AKM stock, I came to the conclusion that a close encounter with Mr Chop Saw was in order. The AKM CHOP MOD NM14 shorty varient I ended up with, was the best compromise between weight and handling I've personally experienced in an MUNIMULA stock.
With scope, my AKM CHOP MOD came in at almost exactly 5 Kgs/11 lbs.
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=358481
But I still like my USGI Fiberglass stock, with Butler Creek folder even better.
As I've said several times before, I am working on a DO-IT-YOURSELF alloy stock design using munimula tubing as the major structural components. Once you get the receiver locked down into an alloy bedding framework, as fugly as it may seem, it is usable.
But, it truly is FUGLY!!!!!
Imagine a 2"x4" plank, with an M14 somehow embedded inside it.
However,
the alloy tubing gives you the necessary hi strength structural foundation, to laminate on any cosmetic exterior materials you want. I've been thinking foam covered by kevlar or carbon fiber for my prototypes, but why not some nice laminated contrasting hardwood [ similar to a BOYDs ].
Either of these would be much easier to form and shape into whatever exterior custom configuration you desired, than more munimula. But I also like the adaptability and versatility and the strength to weight ratio of munimula, so my early designs use more alloy tubing for:
1.] free floating the barrel at the op rod guide.
2.] rear mounting block for a folder
3.] extendible rear butt stock
4.] alloy rail/handguard
Stay tuned for more ...
[;{)
LAZ 1
Since I have my Norc sitting in an EBR, I'll chime in.
With the following:
Norc M14S
Sage EBR Gen 2
A.R.M.S AR10 Offset rail with Leupold 30mm extra high Tactical Rings
(poor boys offset solution for EBR)
Millett DMS-1 optic
C9 Rear grip threaded into handguard portion with CLP bottle
Harris 1A2 9"-13" on a YHM adapter
C9A1 Sling
Approx 14 1/2 lbs unloaded w/o magazine on a deli scale.
YMMV
With the following:
Norc M14S
Sage EBR Gen 2
A.R.M.S AR10 Offset rail with Leupold 30mm extra high Tactical Rings
(poor boys offset solution for EBR)
Millett DMS-1 optic
C9 Rear grip threaded into handguard portion with CLP bottle
Harris 1A2 9"-13" on a YHM adapter
C9A1 Sling
Approx 14 1/2 lbs unloaded w/o magazine on a deli scale.
YMMV
Troy
I found the TROY Generation 2 to be less accurate than the SAGE/AKM design due to the loose front ferrule system of the TROY. It was a bad move to change the original locking system. But even so , the SAGE/AKM op rod guide locking and free float barrel design is superior to TROY Generation 1.
The JAE second generation is good as it improved on the original M14 design philosophy - it gives you superior receiver bedding with superior front ferrule lip pressure , superior to a full match conditioned standard M14 because of no bedding wear,and adjustable ferrule lip pressure.
No matter what I did, the TROY ended up being heavier and bulkier than the SAGE...
I sold all of my TROY stocks and run SAGE stocks exclusively.
I found the TROY Generation 2 to be less accurate than the SAGE/AKM design due to the loose front ferrule system of the TROY. It was a bad move to change the original locking system. But even so , the SAGE/AKM op rod guide locking and free float barrel design is superior to TROY Generation 1.
The JAE second generation is good as it improved on the original M14 design philosophy - it gives you superior receiver bedding with superior front ferrule lip pressure , superior to a full match conditioned standard M14 because of no bedding wear,and adjustable ferrule lip pressure.
