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Of course they have original diameter tubes and full auto bolts.
The modifications to make them semi auto were pretty straightforeward. So are the modifications to make them full auto.
ranger dave - if you want to buy one of these, czechitout will surely put you in contact with the maker. Or you can go to the maker's website.
If you do decide to spend a couple of thousand on one of these, and assuming that one is available, just confirm the FRT number with the CFC at the time of the transfer, know exactly what you are buying.
as long as the tube is ORIG dia the rcmp will just swap in a FA bolt and the gun will go FA
make the gun a smaller ID tube and they cant do that without a bunch of machineing which well possible for them to do should meet thier "readily convertable to fa" and pass the tests
make the gun a smaller ID tube and they cant do that without a bunch of machineing which well possible for them to do should meet thier "readily convertable to fa" and pass the tests
The bolt is not readily removable from the receiver. This prevents easy substitution of a modified bolt. There is a not-readily-removable screw set into the cocking handle inside the bolt which makes it slightly more difficult to swap bolts. There is also a simple modification to the trigger mechanism so that the sear disconnects even if the tip of the tripping lever is cut off. The trigger mechanism is sealed, so that alterations take a bit more work. The gun can still be converted to full auto, but the alterations take a bit more time than that required to convert the rejected prohibited versions. There FRT number posted above is for the "improved" version. Conversion of the first version to full auto was a joke, the RCMP were slow at the fifteen minutes it took.
If any registered guns are available, they should be transferable.
If any registered guns are available, they should be transferable.
That has nothing to do with full or semi auto function, it's just a safety switch.
I was referring to the ramp added to the tripping lever, so that it would disconnect from the sear, even if the disconnecting tip of the tripping lever were removed. If the maker has abandonned this modification, it would make conversion to full auto even easier.
The maker has added a cam to the safety selector so that if the selector is rotated, the tripping lever is cammed away from the sear; if the trigger is pressed when in this condition, the gun should not fire. The tripping lever will move foreward, but will not rotate the sear. This trigger safety is all very well, but it does not address the fundamental problem of open bolt guns - slam firing. The Mk. V cocking handle will prevent this, as will the original safety notch in the receiver. A more sophisticated sfety mechanism would lock the sear in place so that the bolt could not move at all either open or closed. Like a Sterling, for example.
Because the selector is able to move, conversion of the trigger mechanism back to selective fire is facilitated. The use of the full auto bolt makes this even easier.
The maker has added a cam to the safety selector so that if the selector is rotated, the tripping lever is cammed away from the sear; if the trigger is pressed when in this condition, the gun should not fire. The tripping lever will move foreward, but will not rotate the sear. This trigger safety is all very well, but it does not address the fundamental problem of open bolt guns - slam firing. The Mk. V cocking handle will prevent this, as will the original safety notch in the receiver. A more sophisticated sfety mechanism would lock the sear in place so that the bolt could not move at all either open or closed. Like a Sterling, for example.
Because the selector is able to move, conversion of the trigger mechanism back to selective fire is facilitated. The use of the full auto bolt makes this even easier.
Yes, they are being issued. I know two people who have the restricted sten MK2's, I had one myself but sold it.
I am going to get a non restricted one as soon as they are available, not needing an ATT is more practical for me.
I am going to get a non restricted one as soon as they are available, not needing an ATT is more practical for me.
Yes, but your gun predated the creation of FRT number 129614-1, which is the FRT number for the version that the RCMP approved after inspection. Previous FRT entries for ######## guns list them as prohibited.
Have any certificates actually been issued for guns of the recently approved design?
Have any certificates actually been issued for guns of the recently approved design?
I know of two people who have recently bought ######## guns and have certificates for them. I don't know what the FRT # is but assume it is the most recently approved # as they have the bolt handle with a screw that needs to be taken out before removing the bolt.
Yes.
The maker had somehow managed to get guns registered without inspection. Once inspection occurred, the guns were prohibited. The RCMP used a chopsaw to cut a slot in the sear engagement surface of the bolt, so that the tripping lever would not be tripped; this allowed full auto fire. They did the conversion the hard way, there were easier, faster ways they could have accomplished the same result.
The mechanism was redesigned, and the newer version was accepted. The FRT for the newer version is 129614-1. FRT numbers for the previous guns come up as prohibited.
It is interesting that there appear to be early version guns out there that escaped prohibited classification.
The maker had somehow managed to get guns registered without inspection. Once inspection occurred, the guns were prohibited. The RCMP used a chopsaw to cut a slot in the sear engagement surface of the bolt, so that the tripping lever would not be tripped; this allowed full auto fire. They did the conversion the hard way, there were easier, faster ways they could have accomplished the same result.
The mechanism was redesigned, and the newer version was accepted. The FRT for the newer version is 129614-1. FRT numbers for the previous guns come up as prohibited.
It is interesting that there appear to be early version guns out there that escaped prohibited classification.
H Wally
It's about what FRT# they have. There was a court case brought by ######## as the CFC revoked the registrations. The CFC agreed to register them with a slight modification. ######## then recalled the stens they had sold, modified them to the approved standard and returned them. There is hardly any difference to how they were originally. The CFC have issued a new FRT # and new registration certificates for ######## guns.
It's about what FRT# they have. There was a court case brought by ######## as the CFC revoked the registrations. The CFC agreed to register them with a slight modification. ######## then recalled the stens they had sold, modified them to the approved standard and returned them. There is hardly any difference to how they were originally. The CFC have issued a new FRT # and new registration certificates for ######## guns.
What's sadder is that they could not work out how to turn off the safety switch.
The clip I posted earlier was taken to show the RCMP how to work it.
Does the NFA and CSSA know about this?
This creates an absolutely remarkable precedent!
A firearm prohibited as full auto gets converted to semi auto, and is reregistered as restricted!
Copies of the original and replacement registration certificates should be sent to the NFA and CSSA.
