Horrible hunting video.

The bear dies relatively quickly,..

I have seen much worse, from a rifle, froma bow, from a trap, from a snare and most recenly on Wild TV...:)

My issue with the video, is the laughter. I cannot recall ever laughing at an animal that I have killed, I have rejoiced, but never laughed as it took it's final gasps,..that's just me.

Hey, whatever happened to the " If it's legal, it's all good "
 
H Wally said:
I would say as fast as one can reload. Especially considering he could see the animal was not out, and had a muzzle loader, that leaves two options.

1) start reloading asap. If the bear dies before he's finished reloading, then he has still made the effort.
2) carry a second gun in case of events like this, or others.
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So.....as long as the hunter is attempting to reload.....he/she is moral??????:confused:

Now to be a moral hunter you have to carry a second firearm with you while you are hunting???????:confused:



H Wally said:
Of the two deer taken, mine was dead where it was hit, my partners was down on the spot and had a second through the ear because it was still breathing when we got there.
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And just how long did it take you to get to this wounded deer.....just so we as a group can decide if you are, or are not a moral individual?.....think long and hard about this before you answer


H Wally said:
Is it moral to do what he did? In my opinion, no. Not only does it force the animal to suffer when that time could be shortened drastically, but it provides a negative image to the public at large. This is the same public that decides whether you and I hunt at all.
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So...what is an acceptable amount of time to let an animal suffer? What is it like a second, 5 seconds? what....give me a number to work with, where you would find it an acceptable amount of time for the animal to suffer.

I tell you this, if the guy did reload as quickly as he could, and say he was able to put a round into the bears brain......what it would have been 30 seconds or so probably.....would that have been the Moral/Ethical highground....there would still be those that complained that it wasn't fast enough....even if it was shot again as quickly as he could........lets not even think about if/when he took the second shot and only blew its jaw off.......how much more suffering do you think the bear would have had then?


H Wally said:
To put it in a different perspective, if you see a car with a flat in the middle of nowhere, do you do as morals dictate and stop to see if you can help or do you do as the law says and keep driving, because no one told you you had to.
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To be honest......I make a judgment call each and every time I come up to a situation like you describe.......it really depends on who it is and what they look like that makes a difference, if I pull over and help out........and if you think there is something wrong with that, give your head a shake.
 
Weapontech said:
Having said that, this video (especially given the tremendous amount of negative U-Tube commentary) makes me cringe. Although many of us see nothing wrong, (and understand the realities of the sport), we remain a very small percentage; if John-Q-Public start to cry foul over it, we're toast. The spring Bear hunt in Ontario was cancelled a result of that exact knee-jerk reaction to a very wrong perception; and many of us here know the conclusion all too well.

My feeling is that the video is just bad press, regardless of what is right or wrong about it.
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I don't disagree with your statements here.

One of the problems that I see with "modern" society, is that most of the people living in it, are so totally disconnected from what really happens. And that video is a perfect example! How many animals are slaughtered every day, without a care in the world for the person doing it, but someone has to do it, otherwise society comes to a grinding halt.

The way I see it, that bear was able to live its life like it was meant to, it just ran into someone higher on the food chain!
 
I watched it last night on a computer without sound. I didn't see anything that I was surprised by. I mean it was a little graphic, but isn't this what happens when you hunt? Maybe not good material for public consumption, but I don't know if the full flame job was warranted on this poor chap. Kind of made the gunnutz look bad IMHO, a polite comment on his video may have been more appropriate.
 
If gun hunters would take more time and practice shooting this could all be eliminated.

When I got hunting I take 4 bullets. that is it. When am I EVER going to shoot 4 deer. One for the kill 2nd to finish it off IF this happens. I have only ever had to do it a couple times. Once it made me sick, couldn't believe how bad of a shot I made due to poor range guess. I finished off the deer very quickly. Still was no fun. Got a range finder now, fixed that up fast.

Point is the only time hunters shoot is once the day before season to make sure there gun is on target. Most don't even do that. Not near enough practice to make you confident enough to make good shots when the pressure is on.
 
AG said:
It will sadden anyone with a conscience to see any type of creature suffer a violent death. Everything works perfectly in theory. Only trouble is that generally reality doesn't pay much heed to theory.
I'm sure the guy posted the video because in his mind, and in his ethics play book, he did everything right and was proud of it.
What's more ethical, game animals being hunted, or farm animals slaughtered by having their throat cut then waiting to bleed out?
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The 3 or so guys defending this are failing to see what we don't like about it.

1- The dude is laughing.
2 - He made no attempt to end the suffering, though he was close.

your arguments about farmers and slaughterhouse employees killing animals in a much worse way is neither here nor there. If I saw a farmer watching an animal writhe on the ground at his feet giggling, I would want to smack him, and at least let them know they were a scumbag sociopath.

And all the "what about animals 100 yards away? They thrash around often worse then this, that's nothing big" He was not 100 yards away, he was 15 yards away.

Now argue on how 1 and 2 are fine or don't bother repeating the same drivel.
 
7.62mm said:
So.....as long as the hunter is attempting to reload.....he/she is moral??????:confused:

Now to be a moral hunter you have to carry a second firearm with you while you are hunting???????:confused:


I would say if you are not giggling or enjoying it's suffering you are most likely moral.


And just how long did it take you to get to this wounded deer.....just so we as a group can decide if you are, or are not a moral individual?.....think long and hard about this before you answer

I doubt he could have heaved a brick at it, he was probably far away. Also, he made the effort to end it's suffering, the hunter in question did not. Do you see where I am going here?


So...what is an acceptable amount of time to let an animal suffer? What is it like a second, 5 seconds? what....give me a number to work with, where you would find it an acceptable amount of time for the animal to suffer.

9.2 seconds.

I tell you this, if the guy did reload as quickly as he could, and say he was able to put a round into the bears brain......what it would have been 30 seconds or so probably.....would that have been the Moral/Ethical highground....there would still be those that complained that it wasn't fast enough....even if it was shot again as quickly as he could........lets not even think about if/when he took the second shot and only blew its jaw off.......how much more suffering do you think the bear would have had then?


He made no effort at all, it could have suffered for half an hour, is that too long for you yet?

To be honest......I make a judgment call each and every time I come up to a situation like you describe.......it really depends on who it is and what they look like that makes a difference, if I pull over and help out........and if you think there is something wrong with that, give your head a shake.
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Maybe the hunter in question just didn't like the look of that particular bear?
 
Polar Man said:
Who took pleasure in watching it's death throes. We are not arguing on the ethics of hunting in general.
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From what I remember of the video, he laughed right after the shot was taken....I presume it was directed towards his kid, and was well pleased with his shot. I don't remember him laughing at the Bear like some sociopath,as you suggest.....maybe I missed that part.
 
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