MOOSE AT 550 yards

As long as you're from BC, AB, or SK you are perfectly within your right to take a long shot. The 30-06 is the best civilian cartridge there is, so swing away. If you are a good shot, take it. If you're not a good shot don't pull the trigger. Until shooting hobos is legal make sure it's a one shot kill, anything less is tough on the animal.

PS Let's use proper grammer from now on. Sloppy grammer makes us look bad kids.
 
I wonder how many moose were shot at long distances and not followed up because the guy thought he missed -except he didn't?I wonder how many moose were shot at long distances and when found turned up not to be legal?I can think of a lot more reasons to pass up a 500 yards shot than taking it.I'm good for maybe 200 yards-with a rest.I also take a darn good look at where the animal is now before I pull the trigger,cause I have to pack it out.Theres a heck of a big diferance than shooting at animals and shooting at paper or gongs.Hunting is as much a matter of unwritten law as it is written law,and I admit to having hit and lost an animal,made me sick.But maybe thats just because I'm an old guy now
 
ratherbefishin said:
I wonder how many moose were shot at long distances and not followed up because the guy thought he missed -except he didn't?I wonder how many moose were shot at long distances and when found turned up not to be legal?I can think of a lot more reasons to pass up a 500 yards shot than taking it.I'm good for maybe 200 yards-with a rest.I also take a darn good look at where the animal is now before I pull the trigger,cause I have to pack it out.Theres a heck of a big diferance than shooting at animals and shooting at paper or gongs.Hunting is as much a matter of unwritten law as it is written law,and I admit to having hit and lost an animal,made me sick.But maybe thats just because I'm an old guy now
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X2...how many would walk 500 yards across rough terrain or clear cut to check. Just finding the spot the moose was standing would be a chore with no snow. And then at 500 yards most bullets would not exit thus not much blood to spot. I have shot many deer across small valleys...250 yards. After walking through all the $hit and corruption in the bottoms it's very difficult to find kills without a spotter. Only saving grace is that moose are generally pussies and when hit simply walk a short distance and then lay down.
 
Here is a picture of my gong, shot at 450 or so yards. It's much smaller than a moose. I dont' have any 500 yard pics that I recall, but I know I can hit that gong...

2 different shooting positions, 2 shots from prone over a backpack and 2 shots over the hood of my truck with a backpack rest.

SHooting a moose at 500 yards is not something for the beginner hunter/shooter, but it's not an impossible challenge if you practice a bit.

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Gatehouse said:
Here is a picture of my gong, shot at 450 or so yards. It's much smaller than a moose. I dont' have any 500 yard pics that I recall, but I know I can hit that gong...

2 different shooting positions, 2 shots from prone over a backpack and 2 shots over the hood of my truck with a backpack rest.

SHooting a moose at 500 yards is not something for the beginner hunter/shooter, but it's not an impossible challenge if you practice a bit.

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Your unethical, a maniac, you can't track, you can't be sure of the ###,... what if there's snow? you are...

oh nevermind, that's a gong isn't it..
 
Tumbleweed said:
Anybody who'd shoot at any animal 550 yards away needs his ass kicked.

How's that for grammar?:cool:
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Come get some then guy, because I have killed animals that far away and will not hesitate to do it again. I can shoot that far under good conditions like most people can shoot at 300, and I will get closer if I can. There are more than a few people that can do this regularly, and the morality of it isn't any worse than the easterners running deer with dogs and shooting them in the arse. If you know it'll kill them then squeeze.
 
My thoughts are to get closer...you're hunting, not sniping enemy combatants. For most of us out there, anything over a couple of hundred yards is a long shot. Couple that with the knowledge that many of us rarely get the opportunity to practice truly long range shooting or even from typical field positions (due to location...and restrictive range rules, thank you CFO), and you have a recipe for disaster. So...get closer...much closer and your pump '06 will be just fine.
 
If your unsure of the shot or your abilitys then dont take it. If you have the right equipment ie: good LRF, appropriate caliber and rifle/bullet combo, conditions favor and you have the ability, knowledge and practice and confidence in the shot placement. Then make your shot and get ready for the hard part of moose hunting. A 300WM with a 200gr.spbt. at 2990fps. has sufficiant energy to take down a moose at 1000yds. I wouldnt do it because I group 10" to 16" at that distance and thats not good enough. I do REGULARLY hit a 2 1/2gal. plastic pail and a 18"x 24" gong at 1 mile 3 out of 5 shots. No sense getting into a p%ssing contest with threats and such. Im to mature to get into it and to old and damaged to back them up anyway. Each hunter/shooter out there has they're own max. distance to make an ethical shot. The max distance of 20 years ago is nothing compared to today. Hathcock held the record for a long distance kill for many years until a Canuck (go figure) shattered the hell out of with modern equipment.
 
Boomer said:
The question is not one of shooting big game with bullets designed to expand within the velocity range of the .30/30. By the way, .30 caliber big game bullets designed to expand fully at .30/30 velocities have become quite specialized and are not normally chosen for even a .308 or a .30/06. The question is about shooting big game with bullets designed to expand reliably and without failure when fired at high velocity but with low velocity impacts due to extended ranges. The pretty pictures you refer to are evidence that bullets designed for use in modern cartridges, and for use on big game, do not do particularly well when the velocity drops much below 2000 fps.
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Ahhhh..... thing is you said "most bullets don't expand much below 2000 fps" not most big game bullets or even big game bullets period your statment would lead a novice to believe that no bullets expand much below 2000fps and thats a false statement and thats why were having this little tif :runaway: by the way FYI high velocity is defined as above the speed of sound 1100fps (at sea level) and low velocity below the speed of sound. sorry for the slow response unfortunatley I still have a life :adult:
 
CatfishSteve said:
Ahhhh..... thing is you said "most bullets don't expand much below 2000 fps" not most big game bullets or even big game bullets period your statment would lead a novice to believe that no bullets expand much below 2000fps and thats a false statement and thats why were having this little tif :runaway: by the way FYI high velocity is defined as above the speed of sound 1100fps (at sea level) and low velocity below the speed of sound. sorry for the slow response unfortunatley I still have a life :adult:
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No, that would be supersonic and subsonic.:rolleyes:
 
Boomer said:
Catfish, perhaps you can explain how it is that the bullets in the pictures I posted didn't expand if what you say is true. According to you they should have all expanded to 1.5X their original diameter regardless of velocity. But don't take my word for it, do your own research. Grab your .30/06 or a .300 Winchester and set up some impact targets at various ranges, that you can retrieve a selection of bullets from and that allows you to measure the wound volume in, then get back to us on that. Or you can handload your ammo to simulate long range velocity for similar results. Oh, your only rifle is a .30/30, oh, you don't handload, ah I see.
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Don't waste your brain power and wisdom on this troll dude.

He has no intention of learning anything here.
 
Keep in mind thousands of game animals have been taken with a Sears Robuck $19.00 Lee-Enfield and fmj mil/lsurp cordite ammo. Yes, illeagal and unethical but possible and involves a lot of tracking. Expansion is nice but not required to kill an animal. A Sierra Matchking or a Hornady A-Max, neither designed for game has taken many animals quite effectivly. What is possible and what is ethical are two different conversations. The thread topic was ethical distance to takea shot and I thnk its been established that its based on the individual shooting. If a physical contest is in order then lets make it a long c&%k contest and I'll take you all on.
 
Those of you that feel that 500 + yards is to far should check out this site...

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