Failed cartridges....

The .250-3000 is just about kaput.



Savage has started to chamber the 250 Savage (or 250-3000 if you will) again in it's line of fantasic yet slighty fugly bolt actions. Not to mention the recent special addition Ruger SS International which too could be considered slightly ugly (just the mix of stainless and mannlicher doesn't work for me, other than that the Ruger's are beautiful heavy trigger pulling wonders of the centre fire world). The cartridge has been long surpased but once held the title of the fastest production round (hense the slightly out of place 3000 in it's original marketing-based calling). It made it's start in the Savage model 1920, which is a rocking lightweight rifle for the time. Some say it was the first bolt action rifle made by an american manufacture with no connection what so ever to a military action or offering. Then in the ever so popular and well deserved Savage 1899.

So the history runs deep fellas and it doesn't stop there. The round was invented by Charles Newton who at the time would be in the same class as the likes of Paul Mauser, and John Browning. Well in the same class if financial success wasn't a factor, but that poor yank made some cool @ss rifles. Have you seen the lever bolt design?

The talk of a new Savage 99 being produced will most likely give the little quarter bore a boast in popularity. In short action chamberings it's a pretty solid quarter bore. The 257 bob and 25-06 seem to be a little more popular, both of which require a long action which isn't in the cards for the beautiful hammerless lever actions that's touched the hearts of so many.

In my mind it's a greater cartridge than the 30-30 (based on preference mostly so don't get all pissy) yet designed for a different purpose. But the 30-30 is to the lever action what 9.3 x74R (maybe a bad comparison) is to the express rifle and everyone loves their 94's, Marlin's and I guess Mossbergs? So that little slow 30 lives on, and with the invent of those funny red tips offerings from the great folks over at Hornady it got a surge in velocity and few extra yards just past its 110th birthday. But this isn't about the 30-30.

Whether people believe it to be dead, or not to be dead. I hope the little guy hangs on, as most of our current popular cartridges have no storie, no identify, and nothing interesting at all. Do you think someone will have a long winded response like this in 80 years when making reference to a winchester short mag?
 
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I have only been shooting long enough to remember back 10 years ago so I am sure that my input is the same as many have stated earlier. Some of the things I don't understand is why the 7mm has been dropped so fast by so many? I think it is a great caliber and the bullets available make it compairable at the least to some of the 30 cals. Most places don't even carry a 7mm WSM, STW, RSAUM, or RUM as stock items.

Is it just that everyone who is 'uneducated' likes the name of a "300 watcha-ma callit" when they say it? And I realize that for target shooters the 6.5's have gained alot, and i understand that not many appreciate the beating that a 7mm will give you during an afternoon shoot. But really, why are most 7mm's circling the drain?
 
There might be some praise there but unless you find an old gun that is already chambered for it / get one rechambered and reload for it thank you are not shooting a whole lot of 250-3000 :) .

I guess we have to define the difference between commercially dead and Completely dead .

That does open another can of worms doesn't it. I don't think there is a chambering in my closet that isn't 100 years old so that shows the reloading/gun circles I follow. Not that they are all that rare except by most of the wizzum short mag fans of today.

Still in those circles the 250 is alive and well.

One that I could say is all but dead is the 25 Rem, and that is a shame too.
 
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The .32 Winchester Special & the .35 Remington aren't overly popular.

Marlin still currently chambers the .35 Remington and it is actually quite popular in the south of the US. Also the .32 Win Special still gets a lot of use in my neck of the woods. Gun shops around here always have .32 Win Special and .35 Remington in stock.
 
I know it is past the last 10 years but what about the 6mm i don't see many new rifles of that caliber built ?

Do you mean the 6mm Remington? I suppose you could call it a flop, seeing as by the time Remington started to make rifles with rifling that could stabilize big game weight bullets, the .243 Winchester was too well established for it to compete.

I would say that the .243 (which is a 6mm) is pretty successful, though.
 
Not to sure how the 6.8 spc is going to fair out.






I always thought the .351 SL would make an awsome handgun round.
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It would be a great cartridge for an "AutoMag" style of handgun configuration.

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It was a piss poor rifle cartridge.
 
RE: 6MM Remington
Always been a fan of this cartridge. I believe Remington only turns out the occassional run of 6MM in the 700 VLS line, and Ruger with the 77. I think Ruger's last 6MM was about 5 years back.

I hear rumors that it is a popular choice for a custom rig as a lightweight mountain rifle.
 
I always thought the .351 SL would make an awsome handgun round.

It's all been done. The 351 WSL is pretty much just a shortened 357 Maximum and the 401 WSL is a shortened 414 Super Mag. Both WSL's came first by a long shot, so really the other two could be called mods on the earlier.
 
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