H&K MR308 coming soon!

kolob said:
You've got to be kidding. Robinson's SPR-V so far outperformed the SR-47 that not a single operator wanted the SR-47. In fact, the SR-47 failed in testing so badly that and the were so many unfired rounds on the ground, the soldiers started called them "Knight Turds".

Whoever this Kevin B guy is. He's terribly misinformed. I wouldn't believe a word he says.
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f**k it. I don't have a dog in this fight. Clearly you do though though Alex.


It doesn't take a good actor to recognize a bad one. You are the direct principal of your own organization, yet you are stepping down to take a swipe at the employee of another. That's an unique approach. Instead of illuminating your product or at least limiting your attacks to KAC, their management or their product you attack the credentials of an employee; one vetted by very experienced people inside the military and out.

Credentials, we must note, directly relevant to the role Kevin actually fills.


Every one of those professional recommendations you sneer at buys you less credibility than you might imagine.
 
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It should be noted the two very units that initiated SCAR, have Hk416's...

At the end of the that is the most telling, and in my heart I think if they XM-8 had been with 1913 rail at the time it would have probably won, however it had PCAP attachment points and was non compliant at the time, and the Hk 41X series (416,417,418,419) was not compliant due to the OAL being a drop on M4 nature.
 
When you guys are done playing my wang is prettier then your wang can we get back to the subject at hand?

A DI weapon taps hot and filthy gases into the bolt and bolt carrier, It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out that hot crap turns into burnt hard deposits wherever they end up and in the case of a DI weapon that means a very bad place. The piston weapons will get the chamber blowback that Kevin B. talks about but they are much lower in temps and lower in volume. IMHO from looking at the pics of that HK the weapon, the weapon was "over gassed" but because it is a piston those deposits were most likely soft so combined with the added cycling force of it being

1.) a piston
2.) over gassed

The weapon cycled even with the large amount of visible residue. Regarding the more linear cycling of a DI weapon vs a piston I would agree that the piston AR based platforms are much more snappy, other piston platforms are absolutely not .
 
kolob said:
You've got to be kidding. Robinson's SPR-V so far outperformed the SR-47 that not a single operator wanted the SR-47. In fact, the SR-47 failed in testing so badly that and the were so many unfired rounds on the ground, the soldiers started called them "Knight Turds".

Whoever this Kevin B guy is. He's terribly misinformed. I wouldn't believe a word he says.
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I have been reading Kevin B. posts for a long time and despite being a KAC employee his commentary is generally well balanced and fair. At least he lets everyone know who he is. If you are who everyone says you are then what you are doing is not appropriate.

At least disclose and let the members come to their own conclusions.
 
KevinB said:
It should be noted the two very units that initiated SCAR, have Hk416's...

At the end of the that is the most telling, and in my heart I think if they XM-8 had been with 1913 rail at the time it would have probably won, however it had PCAP attachment points and was non compliant at the time, and the Hk 41X series (416,417,418,419) was not compliant due to the OAL being a drop on M4 nature.
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This is bringing an old thread back, but I couldn't resist. What's the HK 419? I saw in another post on a different forum that you mentioned the 418 is/was 6.8 SPC.
 
Hk419 is 7.62x39 IIRC -- sorry my Hk knowledge is not as good as it was.

FYI we do have piston guns, government only currently.
However other than a martime OTB requirement I do not see what they offer.
This is Kevin with his hand on his heart saying this.
I've seen piston guns (ours and others) run 5k, 10k and 20k, and generally with a suppressor, they get dirty and won't run without the can at the 5k point.
Now I can add a bit of lube to a DI to get that performance too.
 
KevinB said:
Hk419 is 7.62x39 IIRC -- sorry my Hk knowledge is not as good as it was.

FYI we do have piston guns, government only currently.
However other than a martime OTB requirement I do not see what they offer.
This is Kevin with his hand on his heart saying this.
I've seen piston guns (ours and others) run 5k, 10k and 20k, and generally with a suppressor, they get dirty and won't run without the can at the 5k point.
Now I can add a bit of lube to a DI to get that performance too.
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In that case, is there any particular reason there aren't more non-AR DI guns?
 
The only reason to not make a AR style gun is to make a piston system...

The AR is hard to beat - so if your trying to build a different mousetrap...

Beside if your doing a piston ideally you want to make non AR architecture so you can do a folding stock
 
Questar said:
I would tend to agree that many industry insiders are biased, however, in total fairness to KevnB he has been saying the same things since long before he went to work for KAC...

While he seems to have more inside info now about Knights product (which only makes sense)... I don't see where he is saying things much different than he did before. In the very early days he did show a lot of interest and faith in the H&K but time went on and first hand reports started to come in and issues started to creep up, he was pretty honest about his opinion change and concerns... that was before he got the job at Knights.

You'd be hard pressed to find anyone who is truly "impartial" these days. Everyone seems to get something from someone or has some ax to grind or reason for promoting or bad mouthing a product. You can't 100% trust the magazine writers, the trade publications, the full time instructors, etc... everyone has something to gain.

Even in the forums... the people posting stuff often have no real first hand knowledge and simply repeat what they've heard or make s**t up as they go along... sometimes just to make themselves look good.

I've read a lot of posts that KevinB has made the last few years... long before his job at KAC... many of the things he commented on I had some knowledge about... I can say that the vast majority of his info was pretty good in my opinion... of course I'm biased too so take that comment with a grain of salt too ;)

Keep one other thing in mind. KevinB posts his real name as his Handle here on this forum... he also makes it pretty clear that he works with and is associated with Knights so anyone reading his POSTS can clearly see this information and decide if he is being biased or not. That is more than I can say for a lot of other users on various FORUMS including Gunnutz. Many people hide their identity and their affiliations behind annonymous UserNames and make no mention of who they are or what company they are associated with. This makes it impossible for readers to know if there might be a bias or ulterior motive to their posts... something to think about :)

Mark
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Considering that your a dealer for KAC and you don't sell H&K, it's hard to believe that your opinion of Kevin is truly an objective one. Don't get me wrong, Kevin has been an excellent go-to guy for information and I'm inclined to agree with a great deal of what he is saying, despite the fact that I own an MR223...
 
Look i own the MR308 and find it to be everything a semi-auto 308 needs to be, I'm the only one here that is not biased, i like a lot of other manufactures. KAC is one of my favorite companies, they are truly a top notch company, i own some of there stuff too!

But in regards to the H&K line , I do find at times kevB is nit picking and over exaggerating a tiny bit at times, but he is essential right most of the time, very rarely is he wrong if ever!

Considering how many choices we had 10 years ago, I'm very pleased what we have to choose from now, it doesn't matter for Le/mil/civ. I personally would have no problem going into battle with so many manufactures products i can't even remember half of them but here is a few, KAC,HK,LMT,Swiss Arms,Magpul accessories etc etc etc
 
From what I've heard LMT and KAC seem to have a fairly close relationship I'd be interested in some thoughts on the LMT MRP Piston 12" seems like it would benefit OTB as a piston and in that ballistic sweet spot for and SBR.
 
Cyanide Ride said:
Wasn't there a MR308 with 3 5/20 mags in the EE for the longest time for about $4300?
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Gunboy was selling his with 3 10/5 mags, it appears to be sold pending fund transfer page 4 or 5 on EE! For the price compared to many 308 piston AR it is a very good option to say the least!
 
Leibermuster said:
Gunboy was selling his with 3 10/5 mags, it appears to be sold pending fund transfer page 4 or 5 on EE! For the price compared to many 308 piston AR it is a very good option to say the least!
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Nice, I was thinking of that myself and saving hardcore for it. I was caught between that and the POF 12" that Questar had...

Then I just ended up buying two CZ's dressing them up and a 930 SPX :)
 
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