did they say they would make the barrel without the treaded end? I'm not a fan of it. also looking for input as to how there shooting as I'm looking for match quality. I was thinking of a KiDD barrel but if they shoot better then a GM barrel I'm game for a Dlask.
DLASK 10/22 barrels?
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I think I remember reading in other posts of yours about you being
impressed by the GM barrel you have.
Can I please ask you to be more specific about
what you just mentioned (accuracy "very good")?
Like what was the best group you remember at 25 yds
with the ammo it likes? And how many shots per group?
What is the average everyday group of 5(or 10) shots @25?
What is the average of 5-8 groups shot in a row at 25 yds?
Do you have a picture of a target?
I don't think it's going to happen too soon.
I'm not sure what "match quality" is, but I politely suggest
you go for a GM, or even better, for a KIDD (if you can get one),
as they are both good barrels.
I will do my best to post pics of targets as soon as I can.
I think I remember reading in other posts of yours about you being
impressed by the GM barrel you have.
Can I please ask you to be more specific about
what you just mentioned (accuracy "very good")?
Like what was the best group you remember at 25 yds
with the ammo it likes? And how many shots per group?
What is the average everyday group of 5(or 10) shots @25?
What is the average of 5-8 groups shot in a row at 25 yds?
Do you have a picture of a target?
This was 5 rounds of CCI Mini Mags @ 50 yards. If I didn't pull the 5th shot it would have been amazing (for me).
This was the next 5 shot group at the same distance. Kind of all over the place but a better shooter would have made some nice groups with that rifle.
The rifle at the time. 16" GM barrel and a bunch of other mods.
This post is for the guys who want to clean,
break-in and look for the best ammo.
Before installing the barrel,
I suggest you clean the bore with solvent.
That will eliminate the oil.
BREAK-IN
This is the break-in procedure I suggest.
For the break in, use standard velocity or low velocity ammo.
Always start from a completely clean and dry barrel.
For the first 25 shots,
1. After each 5 shots, pass a patch with solvent.
2. Use a worn bronze brass in the leade area (in front of the chamber)
with a movement of back-and-forward
for a total of no more than 8-10 double strokes.
3. Clean with patch and solvent.
Finish with a dry patch.
As I said, do this after each 5 shots, for a total of 25 shots.
That would be a total of 5 cleaning sessions.
Repeat the same procedure for the next 60 shots,
but this time do it every 20 shots.
That would be another 3 cleaning sessions.
Make sure the solvents are aluminum compatible,
or you may compromise the receiver.
I suggest you use a plastic-coated rod of 17 or 20 caliber.
These have their own dedicated threads, so you will need
an adaptor to use regular 22 brushes and jags or whathaveyou.
Be careful not to scratch the chamber or the crown.
It would help enormously if you have a hole at the back of the receiver,
so you can go with the rod from the breach without taking the barrel off.
FINDING AMMO
You can move now to finding a suitable ammo for your barrel
(yes, you have to do it because nobody else will do it for you).
To make your life easier, let me tell you that these barrels
are not meant for match-grade ammunition.
Lapua, Eley, or any similar ammo was not taken into consideration
when developing this barrel.
Of course, in some of the test barrels, some brands of better ammo
was occasionally tested (for shizzles).
But this barrel was intended from the very beginning
to make the best out of common and cheap ammo.
So, my advice is that you keep your money in the pocket and
not spend it on super grade ammo like Lapua Midas L
or Eley Tenex or whatever.
Don't get me wrong, these are excellent choices
for barrels like Lilja, Shilen or whatever, but chances are
you will NOT be impressed with the results of that ammo
in this particular barrel.
When testing ammo, as a general good practice,
1. start at 25 yards, as it will make it easier.
2. mark the paper with the type of ammo, distance,
wind, conditions, etc., because you will forget these details.
3. Keep the target paper with all that info (even if
the results of the test will not be satisfactory).
4. Also, before changing ammo, give the barrel a quick cleaning,
5. Allow few shots until the new ammo will “season” the barrel.
Some ammo will do that seasoning in 10 shots, other ammo will need maybe 50 shots.
6. Do not shoot Stingers or Velocitors in this barrel because their long case
will touch the rifling and it will ruin it.
Some ammo may not chamber, like CCI Minimag and maybe others.
Some chambered, un-fired ammo may not extract.
Here are some general guidelines for those shooters
that didn't do much ammo testing so far.
Start the testing with the cheapest and most common ammo.
I suggest to also try, among many others
(not necessarily in this order):
American Eagle,
Federal bulk,
Winchester Dynapoint bulk,
Winchester Expert,
Winchester PowerPoint.
The CCI ammo may give yiou feeding problems, as it is
an ammo with larger dimensions..
As I said, you will not have stellar results with match grade ammo.
Also, I did not have luck with almost anything subsonic, BUT: one
shooter mentioned “reasonable” results with “some” subsonics.
Do not plan to finish the testing in one day:
If you have the wheather conditions
and everything in that gun is doing fine,
then 2-3 types of ammo are enough for that day.
break-in and look for the best ammo.
Before installing the barrel,
I suggest you clean the bore with solvent.
That will eliminate the oil.
BREAK-IN
This is the break-in procedure I suggest.
For the break in, use standard velocity or low velocity ammo.
Always start from a completely clean and dry barrel.
For the first 25 shots,
1. After each 5 shots, pass a patch with solvent.
2. Use a worn bronze brass in the leade area (in front of the chamber)
with a movement of back-and-forward
for a total of no more than 8-10 double strokes.
3. Clean with patch and solvent.
Finish with a dry patch.
As I said, do this after each 5 shots, for a total of 25 shots.
That would be a total of 5 cleaning sessions.
Repeat the same procedure for the next 60 shots,
but this time do it every 20 shots.
That would be another 3 cleaning sessions.
Make sure the solvents are aluminum compatible,
or you may compromise the receiver.
I suggest you use a plastic-coated rod of 17 or 20 caliber.
These have their own dedicated threads, so you will need
an adaptor to use regular 22 brushes and jags or whathaveyou.
Be careful not to scratch the chamber or the crown.
It would help enormously if you have a hole at the back of the receiver,
so you can go with the rod from the breach without taking the barrel off.
FINDING AMMO
You can move now to finding a suitable ammo for your barrel
(yes, you have to do it because nobody else will do it for you).
To make your life easier, let me tell you that these barrels
are not meant for match-grade ammunition.
Lapua, Eley, or any similar ammo was not taken into consideration
when developing this barrel.
Of course, in some of the test barrels, some brands of better ammo
was occasionally tested (for shizzles).
But this barrel was intended from the very beginning
to make the best out of common and cheap ammo.
So, my advice is that you keep your money in the pocket and
not spend it on super grade ammo like Lapua Midas L
or Eley Tenex or whatever.
Don't get me wrong, these are excellent choices
for barrels like Lilja, Shilen or whatever, but chances are
you will NOT be impressed with the results of that ammo
in this particular barrel.
When testing ammo, as a general good practice,
1. start at 25 yards, as it will make it easier.
2. mark the paper with the type of ammo, distance,
wind, conditions, etc., because you will forget these details.
3. Keep the target paper with all that info (even if
the results of the test will not be satisfactory).
4. Also, before changing ammo, give the barrel a quick cleaning,
5. Allow few shots until the new ammo will “season” the barrel.
Some ammo will do that seasoning in 10 shots, other ammo will need maybe 50 shots.
6. Do not shoot Stingers or Velocitors in this barrel because their long case
will touch the rifling and it will ruin it.
Some ammo may not chamber, like CCI Minimag and maybe others.
Some chambered, un-fired ammo may not extract.
Here are some general guidelines for those shooters
that didn't do much ammo testing so far.
Start the testing with the cheapest and most common ammo.
I suggest to also try, among many others
(not necessarily in this order):
American Eagle,
Federal bulk,
Winchester Dynapoint bulk,
Winchester Expert,
Winchester PowerPoint.
The CCI ammo may give yiou feeding problems, as it is
an ammo with larger dimensions..
As I said, you will not have stellar results with match grade ammo.
Also, I did not have luck with almost anything subsonic, BUT: one
shooter mentioned “reasonable” results with “some” subsonics.
Do not plan to finish the testing in one day:
If you have the wheather conditions
and everything in that gun is doing fine,
then 2-3 types of ammo are enough for that day.
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Example:
You have checked your gun and your optic.
The weather is calm (22 rimfire is very sensitive to wind).
You started from a very clean barrel and
you have shot enough of that particular ammo
so you KNOW the barrel is seasoned.
Then, you start shooting for groups.
Let's say your groups are un-acceptably large like in this photo.
The picture bellow is one of the targets I have shot
during the early proto testings from 25 yds. Each group is 10 shots.
As you can see, that particular ammo cannot group for sh!t.
Do not waste any more time and energy with that ammo.
If you are sure it is not you or the gun, then
there is no point in starting screaming
that she doesn't love you (because you have a small ####).
Instead, calm down, clean, change ammo, season the barrel an start again.
But down the road, the exact same barrel that shot the paper in the first pic,
after cleaning and seasoning with different ammo,
shot this paper (25 yds). Again, these are 10 shot groups.
Here, because some of the groups are smaller than the average group in the first picture,
you may want to pay more attention to this particular ammo.
You may want to crank up the magnification (if you have more)
and maybe spend more time trying to do one more paper.
Do not rush because you may get the barrel too hot.
Make a note to yourself about this ammo, but don't go yet to the store to buy
the whole inventory of that particular ammo.
Maybe you should continue testing other ammos as well.
Another example:
This above is an informal target (not in test)
shot with 4 kind of ammos from the same barrel and the groups side by side.
Seasoning was achieved with each ammo
shooting other targets on the range.
Then, when the barrel was seasoned with a particular ammo,
one 10 shot group was put on this target as comparison.
After that, I cleaned, changed ammo, seasoned on a different target
and come back on this paper and print another 10 shot group,
and so on, I hope you get the idea.
Ammo used for group 1 doesn't do well.
Next, ammos from groups 2 and 3 might shoot better (or they may not)
but I wouldn't bet too much on them.
Ammo from group 4 shoots the best when compared with the other ones
and I would do more testing of that.
After the tests made for DlaskCo were finished, one young shooter
was bugging me to go try the first commercial barrels produced.
Me, I was finally relaxing, smoking, snacking, drinking coffee
and watch other people having a taste of the pain I had to endure for months.
The difference was that I tested barrels AND ammo,
and he was testing only ammo in some certain given barrels.
In about 6 hours of range, he tested about 5 types of ammo,
and he chose the most consistent ones of the day for these 2 barrels.
These are the final targets he shot with the best ammo tested in that day (25 yds, 10-shot groups).
When back in Lower Mainland, we took
dinner at Fresgo. Waiting for the food, he fell asleep at the table. LMFAO
Welcome to my world of pain, Mike.
Other people more experienced may not need too much testing
to have an idea if there is a happy match between things to be tested.
Way before the real tests,
when trying the compatibility between the rifling and the chambering
intended for use in these barrels,
one day Mr Joe Dlask shot this group from the pic above.
It is a group of 5 or 6 shots from 25 yds.
I asked him why he didn't shoot all ten rounds.
Very calm and trying not to smile, he explained that he is a busy person.
Translated, that meant that I have to go to the range to do
the rest of the test of about 300 rounds (because I am black).
Sorry for the large pics, I will downsize as soon as photobucket allows me to.
You have checked your gun and your optic.
The weather is calm (22 rimfire is very sensitive to wind).
You started from a very clean barrel and
you have shot enough of that particular ammo
so you KNOW the barrel is seasoned.
Then, you start shooting for groups.
Let's say your groups are un-acceptably large like in this photo.
The picture bellow is one of the targets I have shot
during the early proto testings from 25 yds. Each group is 10 shots.
As you can see, that particular ammo cannot group for sh!t.
Do not waste any more time and energy with that ammo.
If you are sure it is not you or the gun, then
there is no point in starting screaming
that she doesn't love you (because you have a small ####).
Instead, calm down, clean, change ammo, season the barrel an start again.
But down the road, the exact same barrel that shot the paper in the first pic,
after cleaning and seasoning with different ammo,
shot this paper (25 yds). Again, these are 10 shot groups.
Here, because some of the groups are smaller than the average group in the first picture,
you may want to pay more attention to this particular ammo.
You may want to crank up the magnification (if you have more)
and maybe spend more time trying to do one more paper.
Do not rush because you may get the barrel too hot.
Make a note to yourself about this ammo, but don't go yet to the store to buy
the whole inventory of that particular ammo.
Maybe you should continue testing other ammos as well.
Another example:
This above is an informal target (not in test)
shot with 4 kind of ammos from the same barrel and the groups side by side.
Seasoning was achieved with each ammo
shooting other targets on the range.
Then, when the barrel was seasoned with a particular ammo,
one 10 shot group was put on this target as comparison.
After that, I cleaned, changed ammo, seasoned on a different target
and come back on this paper and print another 10 shot group,
and so on, I hope you get the idea.
Ammo used for group 1 doesn't do well.
Next, ammos from groups 2 and 3 might shoot better (or they may not)
but I wouldn't bet too much on them.
Ammo from group 4 shoots the best when compared with the other ones
and I would do more testing of that.
After the tests made for DlaskCo were finished, one young shooter
was bugging me to go try the first commercial barrels produced.
Me, I was finally relaxing, smoking, snacking, drinking coffee
and watch other people having a taste of the pain I had to endure for months.
The difference was that I tested barrels AND ammo,
and he was testing only ammo in some certain given barrels.
In about 6 hours of range, he tested about 5 types of ammo,
and he chose the most consistent ones of the day for these 2 barrels.
These are the final targets he shot with the best ammo tested in that day (25 yds, 10-shot groups).
When back in Lower Mainland, we took
dinner at Fresgo. Waiting for the food, he fell asleep at the table. LMFAO
Welcome to my world of pain, Mike.
Other people more experienced may not need too much testing
to have an idea if there is a happy match between things to be tested.
Way before the real tests,
when trying the compatibility between the rifling and the chambering
intended for use in these barrels,
one day Mr Joe Dlask shot this group from the pic above.
It is a group of 5 or 6 shots from 25 yds.
I asked him why he didn't shoot all ten rounds.
Very calm and trying not to smile, he explained that he is a busy person.
Translated, that meant that I have to go to the range to do
the rest of the test of about 300 rounds (because I am black).
Sorry for the large pics, I will downsize as soon as photobucket allows me to.
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if you are complaining you are tired after barrel testing , it may be because you are to old. But you knew that already, didn't you ?
I got my 12'' Dlask barrel from Fabsports today, only it doesn't want to fit into my receiver(seems too tight). Should I take a small mallet to it knock it in, or is there something I'm not doing right? anyone got an idea?
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Jason
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Jason
If you didn't do it yet, don't bang/knock it in or force it.
Just give me an hour to get home
and I will post about what you should do.
He must have caught that from you because what I remember is that you fell asleep in my truck going to Fresgo
The weather sux no need to ware shades anymore dude
Try sanding the tenon (the stub at the end of the barrel) with 300 sand paper AND sand the barrel hole in the receiver.
This may be all it needs to fit.
Good luck!
Hello.
It seems that you might have one of those new receivers with crinkled paint. Usually they are tight.
Some people put the barrel in the freezer for half an hour or so.
Then, they take the stripped receiver and they dip it in boiling water
for a few seconds and they will fit the barrel in the receiver.
It works most of the times.
If it does not, then try another method:
put a tight wrap of very fine sand paper around the tenon of the barrel
(of course, with the abrasive part toward the tenon),
and rotate it while trying to apply even pressure along the tenon.
Be patient. Check every 15-20 rotations: take the sandpaper out
and clean the barrel very well, outside and inside,
as you do not want any abrasive particles between the parts of your gun or inside the barrel.
Then, spread a drop of oil on the tenon
and try to fit the barrel in the receiver.
Repeat if necessary, but don't overdo it.
Do not tap the barrel in, as you may crack the receiver
or you may destroy the bore where the barrel goes in.
Once the barrel is in, rotate it in such a way that
the extractor will be in the middle
of the extractor groove that is machined in the barrel.
Read these if you have time, they explain the same fit procedure.
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211983
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=258027
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=211991
http://www.rimfirecentral.com/forums/showthread.php?t=217393
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Clobbersauras
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Me, I was finally relaxing, smoking, snacking, drinking coffee
and watch other people having a taste of the pain I had to endure for months.
Try giving up the stimulants Lector, you might find that your diagonal stringing goes away.....
Oil it up a bit and turn it back and forth as you push it into the receiver. If that is clearly a no-go, you may have to to some minor fitting. Sand away bit by bit on the part the goes into the receiver. Make sure you do it evenly and pay close attention to and high/rough spots. Grab some 320grit waterproof sand paper from can-tire.
I'd suggest against mallet force, as you could permanently damage your 10-22's aluminum receiver. You could crack it (FUBAR) or warp it, making it go in unevenly, which will make it shoot horrifically in the bent direction.
Edit: answered from page 1 (50 post setting) good advise already given.
How'd you make out?
PS: careful not to cut yourself on the V notch on the barrel! FREEEEAK'N Sharp!
Question about these barrels, they say they are threaded, any way to tell if the tech sights dove tail adapter (TS157) would fit on the muzzle?
see here http://www.tech-sights.com/ruger3.htm
Personally I would love to have a 12" heavy barrel with those peep sights on it.
see here http://www.tech-sights.com/ruger3.htm
Personally I would love to have a 12" heavy barrel with those peep sights on it.
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slp fit over the barrel. the end of the dlask barrel is threaded. so i doubt it wil work.
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My girlfriend got my bbl in the mail today. Shipping was a little slow, but thats what I get for habitually cheaping out on shipping costs 
Looks awesome, and while I wont get it in my grubby hands until this weekend, I am looking forward to putting it all together.
Pics were taken hastily by the GF.
Dlask 12" 10/22 bbl:
Looks awesome, and while I wont get it in my grubby hands until this weekend, I am looking forward to putting it all together.
Pics were taken hastily by the GF.
Dlask 12" 10/22 bbl:
