Pinning Magazines
- Thread starter tim_chi
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That is the way I read it too. The man is doing nothing illegal.
Paul is right. Cancade set a very bad precident for us. Baird-Ellen felt that a mag body was so easily assembled into a working magazine as to meet the standard of a (prohib) 'hi-cap' magazine. Assembled or not, unpinned mag bodies are verboten. CBSA will be on you like a rash should you try and import them from Brownells or the like. I believe it was them (CBSA) that set in motion the investigation that resulted in R vs Cancade...
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- Location
- Niagara Region, Ontario. For now
pretty sure it is illegal to export mags from the u.s. without a permit anyways.
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- Edmonton, Alberta
Pop rivets work the best.
I went and riveted all my USC mags (BEFORE I took out the inside block, so for a time it was double limited to 5 rounds). I had 3 that were blocked (they were epoxied closed) and 1 that was pinned, so I took the measurement of the pinned mag's rivet, and used that to mark the other 3 holes.
I like pinned mags more since you can inspect them inside for damage, and replace the spring if its ever damaged or gets worn out.
I went and riveted all my USC mags (BEFORE I took out the inside block, so for a time it was double limited to 5 rounds). I had 3 that were blocked (they were epoxied closed) and 1 that was pinned, so I took the measurement of the pinned mag's rivet, and used that to mark the other 3 holes.
I like pinned mags more since you can inspect them inside for damage, and replace the spring if its ever damaged or gets worn out.
I have a few 11 round pistol mags, that have a metal rod epoxied to to the back of the follower in order to limit them to 10 rounds. I suspect that if someone wanted, they could break off the epoxied pin or replace the follower in a couple of minutes. Mags were bought from Wolverine Supplies, so I doubt that they are pinned incorrectly. So epoxying a rod to the back of the follower is a legal option (might not be practical if the mag is much longer then the limit you're pinning it to).
Possession of prohibited device... Man. Why does this even come up? Truly, gun owner community is it's own worst enemy.
Someone I know owns a bunch of unpinned 30 round mags for Swiss Arms. Is he breaking the law and in possession of prohibited device? Not in Switzerland, where he lives.
At the local gun show in the fall, one of the dealers had about a dozen of unpinned 30 round AK-47 mags. Was the dealer breaking the law? Maybe, but it's not for me to say. I didn't report to anyone that the fellow has a bunch of femicidal high capacity implements of mass destruction. Owner is an adult, why should I supervise him?
And not like it's uncommon for someone to inadvertently become in possession of a prohibited device - look how many Beretta CX4 Storm owners received a 10 round mag marked "CX4 Storm". Looks just like Beretta 92 mag, just has the wrong logo engraved on the mag. RCMP had to issue a special bulletin regarding the matter.
I am griping because a question was asked on how to properly pin mags, nothing else.
Not on legality of a mag someone might or might not have. We don't know the circumstances, maybe the mag is not in Canada, or maybe he accidentally got sold a mag that wasn't pinned, or maybe the rivet popped out. Or maybe this is a hypothetical question, and mags in question weren't even bought by the person yet.
So maybe we should be answering the question (and most replies did), instead of trying to pass judgement, especially since we don't know the whole story.
Possession of prohibited device... Man. Why does this even come up? Truly, gun owner community is it's own worst enemy.
Someone I know owns a bunch of unpinned 30 round mags for Swiss Arms. Is he breaking the law and in possession of prohibited device? Not in Switzerland, where he lives.
At the local gun show in the fall, one of the dealers had about a dozen of unpinned 30 round AK-47 mags. Was the dealer breaking the law? Maybe, but it's not for me to say. I didn't report to anyone that the fellow has a bunch of femicidal high capacity implements of mass destruction. Owner is an adult, why should I supervise him?
And not like it's uncommon for someone to inadvertently become in possession of a prohibited device - look how many Beretta CX4 Storm owners received a 10 round mag marked "CX4 Storm". Looks just like Beretta 92 mag, just has the wrong logo engraved on the mag. RCMP had to issue a special bulletin regarding the matter.
I am griping because a question was asked on how to properly pin mags, nothing else.
Not on legality of a mag someone might or might not have. We don't know the circumstances, maybe the mag is not in Canada, or maybe he accidentally got sold a mag that wasn't pinned, or maybe the rivet popped out. Or maybe this is a hypothetical question, and mags in question weren't even bought by the person yet.
So maybe we should be answering the question (and most replies did), instead of trying to pass judgement, especially since we don't know the whole story.
The $100 exemption applies only to businesses with a license to export. It does not apply to a Canadian who drives across and pins the mags himself.
- Location
- Niagara Region, Ontario. For now
Like I said if the mags were in the states then he would be committing an offence bringing them over the border. If they are somwhere else in the worl so be it, but I just find it interesting that someone is asking this question and am more interested in finding out the actual circumstances. I would love to be able to get cheap mags and pin them myself but I am under the impression that there is no legal way of doing this. Like my post said "correct me if I'm wrong. So far you have not corrected me and only #####ed about my concern for legality. There are certain folks browsing these forums I'm sure that might be interested in who has unpinned mags. It would make for a good front page story. I just don't see any way that one would legally come into posession of an unpinned mag in Canada. And the idiot trying to save a few bucks and somehow gets caught makes us all look bad when a licensed firearm owner is charged with possesion of a prohibited device.
Well you've read above where dealers can legally have unpinned mags. Perhaps the dealer has left the pinning of the mags to the purchaser. Or has left the onus of where to put the pin up to the purchaser.
So why don't you explain your fascination with unpinned mags to those certain folks browsing these forums, hmmmm?
- Location
- Niagara Region, Ontario. For now
Im pretty sure if a dealer sells a mag to someone it has to be pinned by the dealer in the store. Otherwise he would be selling prohibited devises. No dealer would allow this to happen because if the buyer ever was found to have unpinned, or imporperly pinned mags and told the cops where he got em, then the dealer is going to be investigated. Any other ideas.
I would also love to own some full auto fierarms but thats not gonna happen. I see this is getting nowhere and I am not going to get any kind of intelligent response. Good luck with your unpinned mags everyone. And I apologize for trying to obey the law.
I would also love to own some full auto fierarms but thats not gonna happen. I see this is getting nowhere and I am not going to get any kind of intelligent response. Good luck with your unpinned mags everyone. And I apologize for trying to obey the law.
- Location
- East ontario
not true, many importers have a lic to pin mags after they get into canada, there are many laws in the FA that do not apply to importers and firearms MFG.
It is by no meens 1 law for all.
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No dealer would leave pinning a mag to a purchaser. That would be selling a prohibited part. Although technically a dealer may be licensed to import prohibited parts (such as unpinned mags), I don't think many (or any) dealers have that permission on their license. When I got my business license I inquired about it. My understanding is that in ontario at least, dealers are not being granted this permission.
My business does not sell any pinned mags. I have no financial gain to thwart all those who would like to pin the mags themselves and drive them across. My only intention is to notify those inclined to do so that it is against american law. This information is given for your benefit. Like others I'm just trying to clear up some of the misinformation. Don't shoot the messenger.
- Location
- Niagara Region, Ontario. For now
Thank you Kodiak. Some people on here love to live in ignorance, but unfortunaltely this is not a defence in court. I can't understand why people are jumping on me for trying to keep things legal. Saying I am part of the problem when you are essentially promoting an illegal activity. I am kinda surprised the mods haven't stepped in here. I know we are talking about hypotheticals but it is obvious some of the posters here have had unpinned mags in there possession or at the very least brought them over the border. Either way it is illegal. (unless the appropriate permits were in place)
- Location
- Niagara Region, Ontario. For now
Where did I say that dealers can't import mags that are unpinned. I said they can't sell them unpinned. Learn how to read please. And if you don't have a real argument, or something intelligent to say, stop trying to stir the pot. I know that dealers can import mags that are unpinned but they cannot sell them to the public(unpinned). And the people on here are not dealers asking how to pin mags. If a dealer who is importing unpinned mags and asking the general public how to pin them legally they should have their dealer license revoked.
OK here's the original post.
Where does it mention any illegal doings? Where does it say he possesses unpinned mags? Where does it say that the original poster is NOT A DEALER/IMPORTER!
And I"M stirring the pot?
I would say you have a pretty close relationship with those "certain folks"......
Where does it mention any illegal doings? Where does it say he possesses unpinned mags? Where does it say that the original poster is NOT A DEALER/IMPORTER!
And I"M stirring the pot?
I would say you have a pretty close relationship with those "certain folks"......
I am typing this on through my cell phone while on a Q train going into Brooklyn, so I apologize for being curt.
mlehtovaara, basic issue, as I see it, has to do with the fact that you are jumping to conclusions. Canada has presumption of innocence, and really until the court decided that the law was broken, it really doesn't help anyone to throw any sort of accusations out. Once again, we as gun owners have enough of other groups lobbying against us, so we don't need to eat our own young.
There has been at least one post describing a valid and legal situation where a person wanted to pin his own mags for legitimate reasons. I'll re-post it for you:
The above situation in my eyes describes a legitimate reason why someone would want to pin his own mags. Again, without more information by original poster, we don't know his reasons for wanting to pin the mags, but there are legitimate reasons to do it. So please, there really is no need to accuse anyone of breaking or trying to break the law - it's not for us to decide, so why not presume that the original question is innocent until proven to be otherwise?
mlehtovaara, basic issue, as I see it, has to do with the fact that you are jumping to conclusions. Canada has presumption of innocence, and really until the court decided that the law was broken, it really doesn't help anyone to throw any sort of accusations out. Once again, we as gun owners have enough of other groups lobbying against us, so we don't need to eat our own young.
There has been at least one post describing a valid and legal situation where a person wanted to pin his own mags for legitimate reasons. I'll re-post it for you:
The above situation in my eyes describes a legitimate reason why someone would want to pin his own mags. Again, without more information by original poster, we don't know his reasons for wanting to pin the mags, but there are legitimate reasons to do it. So please, there really is no need to accuse anyone of breaking or trying to break the law - it's not for us to decide, so why not presume that the original question is innocent until proven to be otherwise?
ok, now here is my question to the person who started this thread: why would someone want to pin a 10-round AR-15 mag (pistol mag) to 5 rounds? it's a restricted, it can have 10 rounds - and legally too! just curious.
who really cares if anyone has unpinned mags? frankly, i dont care if any of you have 30 round mags, 15, 20, 17 etc etc... i'm not the police, i won't break down your door for something so silly, even if it IS the law.
everyone here knows what is allowed and what is not allowed. if you really want details, especially if you are concerned with breaking the law, one should call the CFO, or someone else in that clan who can answer it with 100% accuracy.
let's stop licking the brown-eye of the law makers here and just give our opinions on how to pin the mags. surely, it's not illegal discussing how to pin mags vs "un"pinning mags. we're actually being good little boy scouts by abiding by big daddy's rules.
who really cares if anyone has unpinned mags? frankly, i dont care if any of you have 30 round mags, 15, 20, 17 etc etc... i'm not the police, i won't break down your door for something so silly, even if it IS the law.
everyone here knows what is allowed and what is not allowed. if you really want details, especially if you are concerned with breaking the law, one should call the CFO, or someone else in that clan who can answer it with 100% accuracy.
let's stop licking the brown-eye of the law makers here and just give our opinions on how to pin the mags. surely, it's not illegal discussing how to pin mags vs "un"pinning mags. we're actually being good little boy scouts by abiding by big daddy's rules.
