CheyTac .408 M200 Intervention?

alberta tactical rifle said:
I know about taking a gun to the US, but have to agree with Ice on this 1. If it was ANY other caliber and NOT a rifle that may have been made in the US, no problem. Given the "terminal analitis" that some of the border guys on either side seem to have, I agree it is just not worth the risk.
I have had temporary Cdn export permits as well as Form 6s challenged at the border, and despite my being legal and correct still had to go back to the border to collect my kit once the determination was handed down.

Technically you are correct, there SHOULD NOT be an issue, however......
Having you gun "detained" while you try to prove that the rifle was legally exported from the before the export restriction, can be difficult. It is not like the CFC is going to be of any assistance by saying, "Yes this rifle was registed in 2000 so must have been here before the export ban"

Sometimes even when 1 is right, it is not worth swimming upstream
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Rick,

If you fill out declaration papers at Canada Customs and take your copy of this document along with your Form 6 copy, and your CFC registration certificate, then there seldom are any issues. The Canada Customs declaration does carry some weight with the US border people. Even if it's not required to enter the US, it's always a great thing to have to prove legal ownership before entering the US.

Most US border agents just confirm the pertinent information and serial numbers off the Form 6 and you're good to go. That's if they even bother to ask for it.

Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but seeing how CFC won't register firearms that don't have the appropriate import documentation from the host country, then how could anyone be anything other than legal under the circumstances?

Besides, if you're that worried about it, then bring a copy of your orginal bill of sale or supporting import/export documentation if you've imported it yourself. Seeing how everything is dated, you're good to go.

As I'm sure you know, BATF doesn't regard firearms listed on Form 6A's to be considered as "importations" because they are only temporarily in country.

I've been held up for hours at the border before as well. No big deal as I've always had my s**t together. As anyone who has ever went through this process before can relate to, if your paperwork is clear, concise, and laid out logically in front of the agent and you're not fumbling or rummaging around for things, then you don't draw undue attention to yourself. Organization is definitely the key to making sure things go smoothly and efficiently. For those who have never gone accross border before, I can't stress that enough.

Once you've done it a few times, it's a minor inconvenience at best.

If you're not willing to "swim upstream" every once in a while, then you're giving up way too easily.
 
2bad4u2 said:
Rick,

If you fill out declaration papers at Canada Customs and take your copy of this document along with your Form 6 copy, and your CFC registration certificate, then there seldom are any issues. The Canada Customs declaration does carry some weight with the US border people. Even if it's not required to enter the US, it's always a great thing to have to prove legal ownership before entering the US.

Most US border agents just confirm the pertinent information and serial numbers off the Form 6 and you're good to go. That's if they even bother to ask for it.

Please, correct me if I'm wrong, but seeing how CFC won't register firearms that don't have the appropriate import documentation from the host country, then how could anyone be anything other than legal under the circumstances?

Besides, if you're that worried about it, then bring a copy of your orginal bill of sale or supporting import/export documentation if you've imported it yourself. Seeing how everything is dated, you're good to go.

As I'm sure you know, BATF doesn't regard firearms listed on Form 6A's to be considered as "importations" because they are only temporarily in country.

I've been held up for hours at the border before as well. No big deal as I've always had my s**t together. As anyone who has ever went through this process before can relate to, if your paperwork is clear, concise, and laid out logically in front of the agent and you're not fumbling or rummaging around for things, then you don't draw undue attention to yourself. Organization is definitely the key to making sure things go smoothly and efficiently. For those who have never gone accross border before, I can't stress that enough.

Once you've done it a few times, it's a minor inconvenience at best.

If you're not willing to "swim upstream" every once in a while, then you're giving up way too easily.
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I agree with you 100% that is the way it "should" work, and in most cases "does work".

My issue was with a McMillan 50 cal that I purchased and imported in the late 90s. It was duly registered here and there should not have been any issue.
I had all my paperwork neatly organised, everything accounted for as far as how many rounds I was taking into the US etc etc. Everything was in order.
The heros at Coutts from Homeland Insecurity, and BSA as well as our own CBSA whizz kids made life hell when coming back from a shoot at Reno.
Now I may just got a collection of anuses on a bad day, but it took alot of work to get my rig back not to mention my having to go back to the border to collect it once the dust had settled. That after being "detained" for 11 hours on suspicion of illegal exporting of controlled goods.

I believe if it had been anything under 50 cal no problem would have occured.
They had all kinds of issues with the empty casings as well as live ammo I did not shoot the rifle was their main issue however was definately the rifle.

I have been down to the US numerous times hunting or shooting with handguns or rifles that were not 50 cal and had no problems at all.

Maybe I just had a real lucky day, but I won't be taking anything 50 cal south of the 49th ever again.
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
I agree with you 100% that is the way it "should" work, and in most cases "does work".

My issue was with a McMillan 50 cal that I purchased and imported in the late 90s. It was duly registered here and there should not have been any issue.
I had all my paperwork neatly organised, everything accounted for as far as how many rounds I was taking into the US etc etc. Everything was in order.
The heros at Coutts from Homeland Insecurity, and BSA as well as our own CBSA whizz kids made life hell when coming back from a shoot at Reno.
Now I may just got a collection of anuses on a bad day, but it took alot of work to get my rig back not to mention my having to go back to the border to collect it once the dust had settled. That after being "detained" for 11 hours on suspicion of illegal exporting of controlled goods.

I believe if it had been anything under 50 cal no problem would have occured.
They had all kinds of issues with the empty casings as well as live ammo I did not shoot the rifle was their main issue however was definately the rifle.

I have been down to the US numerous times hunting or shooting with handguns or rifles that were not 50 cal and had no problems at all.

Maybe I just had a real lucky day, but I won't be taking anything 50 cal south of the 49th ever again.
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Yup, sounds like you had a bad day to say the least.

Ironic, did you remind the US Customs that by their own regulations that you are REQUIRED to take any remaining ammunition you brought into the US back to Canada on your return home?

I think you ran into a bunch of idiots who weren't aware of what their own laws required. It's a shame it spoiled you on taking your stuff state side again.

About every second time I enter the US I have a customs agent ask me if I'm bringing firearms in with me. I asked an agent if he knew I had done so in the past and he indicated that he had that information in front of him when he checked my identification.

I believe if you have a history of bringing firearms accross the border and have done so without problem or incident, then they are somewhat inclined to believe that you're familiar with the process and that your affairs will be in order. By saying that, I'm in no way implying that they won't thoroughly check you out or do their jobs any differently.
 
I was also concerned about taking ammo in and out. Not that I was likely to be taking anthing but empties home, laff, but it is home loads with home made bullets. Might have been hard to explain away if it wasn't on some sort of list.

M.
 
Ice-Pick said:
I was also concerned about taking ammo in and out. Not that I was likely to be taking anthing but empties home, laff, but it is home loads with home made bullets. Might have been hard to explain away if it wasn't on some sort of list.

M.
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Nope. Not hard at all. You're making assumptions based your preceived notions and not actual experience in having doing so.
 
Using the nightforce program this is the wild stab I'd take at it so I'd use a 5.5-22 Nightforce backed off to 11 power and crank it up 85ish MOA and let'r fly. With a 6.4 second flight time, I'm sure there are more calculations to be done. LOL

3250yds 169.00MOA -5749ele in" 1001fps 1669ft-lbs -5901.4drop from bore inches 6.4269flight time.


Any comments??
 
google it,,,, look for a 2 mile shot, you might find something.
If I shot something at 2 miles i'd be damn sure I had it on tape, including the happy dance afterwards. laff.

M>
 
alberta tactical rifle - do you have a thread on shooting your 50 the 3520. I would like the details of this- gun details, load, bullet, how much elevation you used, how many shots to get on target,etc. The furthest I have shot is 3200.
thanks.....
 
jimmym40a2 said:
alberta tactical rifle - do you have a thread on shooting your 50 the 3520. I would like the details of this- gun details, load, bullet, how much elevation you used, how many shots to get on target,etc. The furthest I have shot is 3200.
thanks.....
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The rifle is 1 of my own custom built 50s that weighs 78 lbs, sports a Lilja match barrel and a Recknagel singleset trigger. Truly a bench rifle only.
The ammo was loaded in IVI match brass, 231.2 grs of US869 and a 750 gr Amax the projectile.
At that time a 6.5x20x50 MK4 was the optic on top of a 75 moa rail.
I needed 171 moa to make contact at that distance over my 500 yard zero.

This is going back a few years but as I recall over the 2 days shot about 75 rounds working our way out in distance of 200 yard increments from the 1000 yard mark that I had a known comeup zero from until I was happy that we had the comeups correct.
Day 2 after about 8 or 10 shots was able to get it on target and had 5 connect on the drum.

I had hoped that the SN9 I bought after this event would solved the ton of moa in the rail problem but it did not work out as I had hoped.
I want to build a rail like Mystic has on 1 of his rifles that is adjustable for moa

I wish I had video of it, but only acquired a video camera last year.
The witnesses were family, so no credibility will be claimed by some doubting "Thomas's" As Glockamaniac can attest I do NOT shoot for glory, but just for my own fun and the challenge so seldom keep track.
Maybe this year I will get a chance to go back out to the ranch more and do it again, but on tape for those who do not believe, and so they can then argue whether the tape is doctored or not.
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
I had hoped that the SN9 I bought after this event would solved the ton of moa in the rail problem but it did not work out as I had hoped.
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I've got ask - how didn't it work out? 235 MOA plus the 75 on your rail weren't enough? That scope looks like something out of this earth... What can you tell us about it?

BTW, we are taking about the rifle in your sig, right? Seems to match the description...
 
redman said:
I've got ask - how didn't it work out? 235 MOA plus the 75 on your rail weren't enough? That scope looks like something out of this earth... What can you tell us about it?

BTW, we are taking about the rifle in your sig, right? Seems to match the description...
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Actually no that rifle in my sig line is owned by 1 of my clients.
The SN9 has TONS of elevation which is why I bought 1, I just had too many other problems with it. The biggest being the breaking of the front ring mount and given the high dust level at the ranch added to the amount of air movement a 50 generates, could not keep the external turrets clean.
Glock and I tried hard to get it to work, to no avail, so down the road she went. Currently the rifle is awaiting a new barrel and I am likely going to put a Premiere 5x25 on it with a plus 60 rail.
 
Thanks for the info. I know about the "doubting thomas's" that is some great shooting. I will get the 3500 mark this summer!
 
3,500 yds. has been done before. It's not ground breaking by any means but I'm sure it's plenty fun to do. There's so many different variables involved that it must be incredibly challenging to do so.

By the way, my last comment wasn't mean't to mean it can't be done. I was referring to his comment on being able to do so on either the first or second shot.

There was a very interesting article in "Precision Shooting" a number of years back where a guy was shooting some incredible distances with either a 45-70 or 50-110 Sharps. Wish I had a copy of the article.
 
2bad4u2 said:
3,500 yds. has been done before. It's not ground breaking by any means but I'm sure it's plenty fun to do. There's so many different variables involved that it must be incredibly challenging to do so.

By the way, my last comment wasn't mean't to mean it can't be done. I was referring to his comment on being able to do so on either the first or second shot.

There was a very interesting article in "Precision Shooting" a number of years back where a guy was shooting some incredible distances with either a 45-70 or 50-110 Sharps. Wish I had a copy of the article.
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Those guys that can run a BPC with vernier sights out to 1000 yard plus distances have my undying admiration. That is skill I can not comprehend.

I knew guys had shot the 50s out beyond 2 mile mark, I just wanted to see if I could do it. With enough ammo I think anyone with a decent rifle and good conditions could do it.
I do not believe it is any great skill, just a matter of having the kit, the place, the patience and ALOT of ammo:D
 
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