IPSC newbie question

thanks for the offer 9x25, but Im in Ontario. I have shot several types of handguns already. I already know I like the sti 1911s, I just dont think its a good idea to drop that kind of money on my first set up....Oh decisions decisions...I have shot a glock and was actually really impressed with how well I did with it... I just dont like the idea of buying something thats so ugly (no offence to the glock owners out there)... But I guess you buy it to perform, and last, not to look pretty. I geuss I will just have to make up my mind on to spend the extra $$$ to run standard, or be budget friendly with a 9mm and go production...thats pretty much what it narrows down to I think.

Do the single stack 1911 style 8+1 guns have a real disadvantage against the 10 round magazines, used by other guns in the standard division?
 
You did not mention if you have a Black Badge yet.
If you do - I'm sure there will be people willing to let you try their guns for practice and/or a small match. If you're from Toronto area - send me a message and we may be able to arrange something.
In production division there is no Major power factor, so there is no advantage shooting anything more than 9mm. CZ Shadow/Tanfoglio Stock seems to be most popular/competitive choices, but other guns like Glock, M&P, Sig will be just fine. I myself used Glock 19 for couple seasons. I did better with SZ Shadow, but it was less reliable.
In Standard division 40S&W is a caliber of choice. And any of aforementioned models (SVI, STI, Tanfoglio LC) will be good choices. These are fine guns, and you won't regret buying one. If you can fine one on EE section of this forum - you can try it and sell if you don't like, this way you'll only loose a couple hundred bucks if not less.

Arguably, In IPSC the model of the gun is not the most important thing.
To be competitive most important is the amount of practice (and maybe tutoring) that you can get.
And for sport to be enjoyable for you the company is also important. If you start actively participating in matches - you'll find a group of people that you shoot, travel or just hang out with. It will be more interesting for you if you be in same division as you shooting buddies to compete/discuss/share/etc.
 
I am waiting for the next available black badge course at a local gun club in my area for the beginning of the new year. I was hoping to buy a gun before I start though so I can be a little bit familiar with it. It seems that the majority of the people at the club are in the standard division shooting 1911 style in both 40sw and .45acp. I am leaning towards that division. If I had a 1911 style single stack 8+1 gun in .45acp would I be at big disadvantage? I really like this style gun the best in my hand, but I still want to have a competitive gun. My second choice would be a CZ75 in 40SW, however it has been mentioned in this thread that its not a real popular gun.
 
What club are you a member of? If you are close to me we may be able to get together and I can help you out.
 
I dont own any now. I have alot of long guns, no pistols yet. Like I said before, I was hoping to have one before my Black badge course. I will be shooting next Sunday for my handgun safety course at the range, so I should be able to try a few other things out. I so posess a restricted licence now, and have been at a range, when people have offered me to give her a try. I have shot 4 different handguns. A 9mm glock,a 9mm CZ75, a .45 1911, and a .357 mag revolver. If I owned one already then I would probably just use that for now, but since I am buying I just wanted to get a good idea of what to shop around for. The wifes supposed to be arranging it for christmas. I just have to find it, pay for it, transport it, lock it up, and act surprised on christmas (when I bring it out).
 
There's some good info already in this thread....I'll humbly add a bit more.

Nothing takes the fun out of shooting faster than a gun that doesn't run consistently. Keeping your budget in mind...if you do opt for Production Division...and you like to tinker...get a Shadow (a fair % of shadows are prone to Stovepiping) If you don't like to tinker get a Glock.

Either one would sell very easily if you decide to change at a later date.

If you opt for Standard...the most obvious choice is a double stack in .40. If you have small hands...a single stack may feel better.

I'd stay away from .45 just because of the additional costs to run it (for no gain in performance)

However...it's going to be your first pistol...so it can't be all about function (you have to want to shoot it)

Keep your eye on the EE...and postings at your local gun clubs. IPSC shooters are worse than golfers when it comes to the upgrade bug. There are package deals to be had if you keep your eyes open.

What club do you belong to?

Good luck

See you one the range

Craig
 
I second Quigley,

get a Glock 17 or 22 if you load.
I am not a fun of plastic pistols, anyone who knows me, they laugh at me, when they see me with Glock 22. It supposed to be for me daughter, ehh kids, she is still deciding. On this forum you can probably get Glock 3rd Gen for around 600 plus mags. Get yourself nice holster like Bladetech and I recommend AA belt, in my opinion way better then CR SPeed, I own two CR Speeds. Josko from Double Tap sells Bladetechs. Glock will new few minor modifications, but you can perform without them. I have change sights from original to Sevigny by Warren and I love them, also I install longer GLOCK OEM mag release. I have added Gorrila grips, all this was under 100USD, but gun is more friendly for me now.

Good Luck,

Like Yuri mentioned, if you from around GTA, drop him a line and we can show you few guns, holsters and so on.

P.
 
Glock_2010 said:
You will not have any problem with Double Action First Shot if you use a Glock.:D
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The double action pull is more than compensated for in the DA/SAs by the Single action pull the other 99% of the match.
In an 8 stage match, a DA/SA only shoots DA 8 times - MAX. The other 120 rounds are nice light crisp SA.
A glock has a squish pull 128 rounds of the match. :puke:

And for starter, you don't have to worry about the external safety as well.
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It's irrelevant, External Safeties are not used on any production gun in IPSC. DA/SAs start DA.

My $.02 is unless you really want too look "gangsta";), avoid the glock. IPSC is target shooting (albeit high speed target shooting).
Glocks have horrible trigger pulls and need extra investment to get decent sights. Sights and triggers are the two most important parts of target shooting.

On top of those, the Glock mag design is inserting a square block into a very tight square hole, while the other guns taper their mags making mag changes that much easier. DA/SA guns like the STI GP6/C, Tanfoglio, CZs and even Berettas are better solutions to the problem.

One final nail in the glock coffin - the top ten production shooters at the IPSC Canada nationals - don't use glocks. These amateur (ie. have real jobs to support themselves) shooters have figured out what guns give them the most advantages. (pros are irrelevant since they are paid to shoot what they shoot)
 
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Slavex said:
Now Sean, tell us how you really feel ;)
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:D Can't help it, Rob - I feel pretty passionate about this one. I've seen too many guys get glocks 'cause they're the rage / cool and then take the black badge - only to come to the inevitable conclusion 6 months later that the gun isn't going to take them far in the game and have to buy an new gun. :slap:
 
Freedom Ventures said:
:D Can't help it, Rob - I feel pretty passionate about this one. I've seen too many guys get glocks 'cause they're the rage / cool and then take the black badge - only to come to the inevitable conclusion 6 months later that the gun isn't going to take them far in the game and have to buy an new gun. :slap:
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PH Racing said:
Someone wanna loan me a Glock?:stirthepot2:
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OK Pat, we all know on a good day you could hold your own with a slingshot.

Sean isn't wrong however. I don't like to sling mud at the Glock for fear of the Cult of Gaston coming to get me, but for the reasons Sean mention, the gun is actually a poor choice for many folks. I'd have to lump the S&W M&P into the same boat.l

However, it's all moot if it turns out the OP digs the design and if the gun suits him.
 
Freedom Ventures said:
:D Can't help it, Rob - I feel pretty passionate about this one. I've seen too many guys get glocks 'cause they're the rage / cool and then take the black badge - only to come to the inevitable conclusion 6 months later that the gun isn't going to take them far in the game and have to buy an new gun. :slap:
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I'm inclined to agree. I always felt that Glocks handle like hair dryers and have triggers like dollar store cap guns. In fact, I HAVE a cap gun with a better trigger.

Can they be shot well? Sure, if you know how to shoot well you can shoot pretty much anything. But there are better, more competitive choices in the same price range. Glocks are designed to be a one-size-fits-all, idiot-proof cop gun. They excel in that role.
 
All things being equal, I'd say start in Open class. The initial savings in cost of the gun is far offset by the real cost of shooting IPSC and that is consumables. Ammo (brass, primers, powder, bullets or loaded ammo), gas, lodgings, food etc. will add up and with 9mm major being probably the cheapest way to go for ammo (outside of 9mm minor).
Open guns have not changed in any significant way since 1993, Limited/Standard guns are still being tinkered with, but are probably getting near their peak, while production guns are the new gear race. I'm sure by the time the shot show rolls around there will be a new (or new version of) Production gun that you MUST have to be competitive, not to mention trick accessories to meet the rules.
I shot my 12 year old race gun this year which is the same gun without changes that I shot at the '98 Nationals, I took several first places and was in the top three of every match I shot this year in Canada. If you want to save money, shoot Open! It's cheaper in the long run!
 
hungrybeagle said:
Sean,

Number 2 at the Nationals shot a Glock in Production Division.
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Strange, I thought he went SP-01.

Ok, I stand corrected - so - the majority of the top shooters don't.

Quigley said:
Didn't Darryl E win a Nationals in Prod with a Glock?
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DE is /was at the level of pro - a real GM, and not to discount his abilities - prod. div. competition level at that time wasn't near what it is today.;)
 
I am not a member of any club, yet. I live in the Brantford area, but I work in Cambridge. I have been to shooters choice in Waterloo, and the Waterford sportsman club. Waterford is about 20 mins away, and I have family in the country 5 mins from there, there are quite a bit of other things to do out there also, and its a good price. So thats why I picked up the paperwork on Monday and have filled out my application, and I will will drop it off on next Sunday when I have my Handgun Safety Course there. I am getting a family membership so I can take my kids out back and shoot the 10/22s.

Whith that being said, Thanks too everyone who has replied. It has given me alot of info to go on. Im still not sure what class to start out at though.

What would be the top ten placers in Production division be shooting?
 
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