IPSC newbie question

Does anyone besides Josko runs Tanfoglio?

The Tanfoglio has better magazines and feels slightly better in a big hand, comparing to CZ, but its trigger pull (especially the DA) is not as good as CZs (I'd say it weirdly similar to GP6s). More over, now we can use Tanfoglio mags in CZ and you can buy two Shadows for the price of Tanfoglio.
 
I've been running a Tanfoglio for 2 years now. I've had a bit of a growing pains period with it, mostly due to the safety (I hate them). The gun is super accurate, but does need a better trigger, especially in SA. Once I got used to the gun, and it's extra weight compared to my Beretta, my scores went back to where I expected them to. It is a lot of money for the gun, but it's also one of the nicest looking ones out there, which, honestly for me, is half the point.
 
I shoot a 75b in IPSC and IDPA.

After two years I haven't out grown it yet
but a shadow may be in my future.

If you like 75b's , buy one.

You can get by with a BladeTech holster that works for both IPSC and IDPA and Fobus Mag pouches.
That is a very cost effective way to get in to competition.

Spend the money you have left over shooting and going to competitions.
 
Just one more question ( I think ) . Is a CZ 75b and a Beretta 92fs going to perform close to the same, since they are both DA/SA pistols. I dont hear much about the Beretta 92fs being used, but I thought its one of the most widely used Military pistols from the states.
 
blueflash said:
Just one more question ( I think ) . Is a CZ 75b and a Beretta 92fs going to perform close to the same, since they are both DA/SA pistols. I dont hear much about the Beretta 92fs being used, but I thought its one of the most widely used Military pistols from the states.
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You'll probably find the CZ more durable long-term.
 
blueflash said:
Just one more question ( I think ) . Is a CZ 75b and a Beretta 92fs going to perform close to the same, since they are both DA/SA pistols. I dont hear much about the Beretta 92fs being used, but I thought its one of the most widely used Military pistols from the states.
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A friend of mine is good with his Beretta but there are more bits you can use for the CZ that help make it a little nicer shooter than the Beretta. Lighter Springs, Comp hammers, aluminum grips etc.
 
blueflash said:
I am not a member of any club, yet. I live in the Brantford area, but I work in Cambridge. I have been to shooters choice in Waterloo, and the Waterford sportsman club. Waterford is about 20 mins away, and I have family in the country 5 mins from there, there are quite a bit of other things to do out there also, and its a good price. So thats why I picked up the paperwork on Monday and have filled out my application, and I will will drop it off on next Sunday when I have my Handgun Safety Course there. I am getting a family membership so I can take my kids out back and shoot the 10/22s.

Whith that being said, Thanks too everyone who has replied. It has given me alot of info to go on. Im still not sure what class to start out at though.

What would be the top ten placers in Production division be shooting?
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I was advised by other IPSC members that people should have at least one year of experience of handling a handgun, comfortable shoot the A zone at 15-20 yards, before they should take the BB course. From what I see in your statement, you are very new to the sport. Don't bother to decide which division you should go for and which pistol will fit or not. Just get a comfortable pistol that fit you most in your hand and shoot more first. When you are comfortable and feel confidence of that pistol, then take the course. And you will enjoy the most from the sport.
There are no one gun fits all pistol there. You will have more than one pistol eventually if you are into this sport anyway. So, just spend a reasonable budget and enjoy. You can always sale it later without too much lost. :)
 
In most cases...that just gives a new shooter one year to develope bad habits...habits the BB Instructor will have to address. The one year recomendation is generally bogus.

You should have a reliable pistol, rig and 5(ish) mags...and be able to put your rounds in a letter sized piece of paper on a consistant basis at 15-20 meters.

That doesn't take a year to learn :cool:

Cheers
Q

Glock_2010 said:
I was advised by other IPSC members that people should have at least one year of experience of handling a handgun, comfortable shoot the A zone at 15-20 yards, before they should take the BB course. From what I see in your statement, you are very new to the sport. Don't bother to decide which division you should go for and which pistol will fit or not. Just get a comfortable pistol that fit you most in your hand and shoot more first. When you are comfortable and feel confidence of that pistol, then take the course. And you will enjoy the most from the sport.
There are no one gun fits all pistol there. You will have more than one pistol eventually if you are into this sport anyway. So, just spend a reasonable budget and enjoy. You can always sale it later without too much lost. :)
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I was told by the Black Badge instructor to get a gun after my course and shoot for a couple of months with that and to get a cheap .22lr target pistol used.

Thats pretty much what I plan on, sounds like it makes sense to be fairly comfortable and hopefully wont develop any major bad habits.
 
Everyone is different. Some need more practice etc.

I got my RPAL in January , gun in April.
Shot my first Defensive Pistol Match (IDPA) in June.
Took my BB in September.

I happened to be very comfortable and reasonably proficient from the get go. All those video games as a kid.

The CZ75b was my first hand gun.

I bought a .22lr revolver the following year for plinking and introducing new shooters and kids to hand guns.
 
It may be worth it to get to a practice night at one of the clubs in your area. Most people will let you fondle their firearms if you ask nicely. I think you said you were joining Waterford, talk to azone, ^ he already said he would help, if not, EESA has practice nights, and Newbies are more than welcome to come out, and have a look see, let me know if you are interested, I have an extra rig you could borrow for the night.
 
I'm with Quigley on this; get the BB as soon as you can. It's harder to unlearn bad habits than it is to learn them correctly from the get-go.
 
I kinda agree with Quigley and RE, get some good initial instruction regarding fundamentals(sight picture, grip, trigger prep and all that) and that will help you to prepare for the course.
If you can hit an 8.5X11 sheet at 10 or 15yds that is good.
The actual pre-requisite in the manual is a 30cmX30cm target at 20yards 9 shots out of 10 on your own time.

Good luck.
 
Freedom Ventures said:
Strange, I thought he went SP-01.

Ok, I stand corrected - so - the majority of the top shooters don't.

DE is /was at the level of pro - a real GM, and not to discount his abilities - prod. div. competition level at that time wasn't near what it is today.;)
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Derril was inhuman. When he was at the top of his game, he could probably pick up a gun and finish top 5, having never shot it before. He won the 2001 Nationals in Standard Division after doing no practice that year and only switching to standard 3 weeks before the match.

He won 2004 with a Glock, but if there had been SP01s, it is quite conceivable we would have picked those for our Production guns instead of Glocks. Glock was the simply the best option at the time.
 
Does anyone know of any place within say an hour drive of Brantford that would have a SP-01 in stock that I would be able to try it out for size.
 
Check Al Simmons in Hamilton or Legendary Firearms in Missisauga.
Or you can visit an IPSC night in Burlington club on Tuesday or Wentworth on Thursday. There should be someone with a Shadow. I am usually at 7 to 8pm squad in Burlington and after 7:30pm or so in Wentworth.
 
Good thread! :)

I am new to the shooting sports...but not new to shooting.

I started shooting IDPA about 2 1/2? years ago.

This spring I took the BB. I shot my first qualifier with Hungry Beagle and his posse in Terrace B.C. They looked after me and gave me a lot of tips. :)

I started with a M&P9mm. It was excellent in the aspect that it was a 'point and shoot' gun with no external controls other than the trigger. After about 6-7K rounds the trigger was smooth enough that it took 3 tries to pass the equipment check at my first few qualifiers. And that was with zero work...no trigger job, no polishing...nothing..just shooting. So from my point of view the M&P was an excellent starter (thanks to Canuck44 for the advice!) and I would recommend it to anyone starting out.

That being said, I now shoot a Shadow. I think it a far better IPSC pistol than the M&P was. It should be. After all the M&P is a straight up service pistol ( as is the the basic Glock, the CZ75 etc) and the CZ Shadow was purpose built for IPSC competition in the Production division. IF a guy has the extra couple hundred dollars I think you are far better off with the Shadow - but be aware the Shadow is NOT an IDPA ready pistol. It is too heavy and requires alteration from its factory configuration to be IDPA legal.

If I had it to do over - and this is not a shot at IDPA- I would have started IPSC first. It is actually simpler to understand and easier to shoot. IDPA has a lot of extra rules that, I believe, can get in the way when you are trying to learn to shoot in a competitive environment.

So my advice - from one 'noobie' to another- is this...gear up for IPSC, buy a Shadow and all the associated gear. Contact CZ Custom in the US and respring your gun with a CZ Factory 13lb mainspring. Buy LOTS of ammo (eventually you will need a reloading setup), take the BB ASAP and have fun.

Go to every match and practice night you can get to. Shoot, watch and learn. ASK QUESTIONS! Most experienced IPSC shooters remember what it was like to be the new guy and they are very supportive when you show a sincere interest in learning.

After you have a couple of years of IPSC experience go try IDPA. By then your gun handling skills will be ingrained and you will be able to deal with the rule differences much more easily.

There you go...my 2 cents :)

Hope it helps.

John
 
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