2/3 size IPSC Target

euxx said:
Why do you making it such a big deal? Don't we have partial targets already? Even with my limited IPSC experience I saw all kind of shapes, including A zone only targets. Those small ones aren't any special. Though it is sad that they can't be combined with a regular size targets on the same stage.
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Excellent post. Sums it up nicely.
 
Freedom Ventures said:
Excellent post. Sums it up nicely.
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BTW, Peter has a point that neither IPSCm nor IPSC Canada don't have any representative web site and we really have to watch GV for any significant news.

Also, I don't know what the regional the director participation was in regards to the decision for new targets and decision to not allow to use them with other targets. Maybe he could have done more for the latter.

Another though is that most of us won't be able to practice with new targets for some time and those who had them will have an advantage on upcoming matches.
 
PeterPan said:
Storm,

did you know that the smaller IPSC targets were coming to IPSC shooting in advance? I didn't, and this is the problem. We should be inform ahead about such a serious changes and as IPSC members should be able to have some say. How can we do it?
I think we should have our own side where our IPSC leaders will inform us about changes to our sport and then we can have some discussion as a group. I have also noticed that actually some of the members like it, and this is the hardest part. We are not all united on this front and that is why it is hard to fight it.
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I heard about it on the GV site.

I have ZERO problem with the 2/3 target.

I think that having a 2/3 target is very helpful as a stage designer.

I have a HUGE, MASSIVE, GIGANTIC problem with being forced to use these targets (if I choose) in individual stages, not for practical reasons but for POLITICALLY CORRECT REASONS from a bunch of people who have already caved far too much (Metric target).
 
euxx said:
Why do you making it such a big deal? Don't we have partial targets already? Even with my limited IPSC experience I saw all kind of shapes, including A zone only targets. Those small ones aren't any special. Though it is sad that they can't be combined with a regular size targets on the same stage.
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It is not sad.

What is sad is that the WC made it so.


So "sad" no.

Pathetic? Most certainly.
 
euxx said:
BTW, Peter has a point that neither IPSCm nor IPSC Canada don't have any representative web site and we really have to watch GV for any significant news.
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Peter, as usual - missed the point due to his ignorance of how things actually work.
You're informed of significant news through your sections (Where you can provide feedback) - whether they choose to inform you or not - you can take up with them.

Also, I don't know what the regional the director participation was in regards to the decision for new targets
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He had a simple choice - yeah or nay.
decision to not allow to use them with other targets.
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No choice was offered.
Maybe he could have done more for the latter.
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:rolleyes: Don't Ya just love a Monday morning quarterback...

Another though is that most of us won't be able to practice with new targets for some time and those who had them will have an advantage on upcoming matches.
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The target specifications were published at the same time for every section, if one gets it faster than yours, they're just more on the ball or want to use them more.
I'm sure CRAFM will happily sell you some if you can't find them.
 
Is/was there no method within the system to amend the motion as presented to remove the stupid/dangerous article?

I have never heard of a system in which such a mechanism did not exist.
 
euxx said:
Why do you making it such a big deal? Don't we have partial targets already? Even with my limited IPSC experience I saw all kind of shapes, including A zone only targets. Those small ones aren't any special. Though it is sad that they can't be combined with a regular size targets on the same stage.
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Well partial target is one animal, smaller target is another.
If you will read more into how IPSC started and targets were representing, maybe then you will get my point. ;)
 
stormbringer said:
Is/was there no method within the system to amend the motion as presented to remove the stupid/dangerous article?

I have never heard of a system in which such a mechanism did not exist.
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Sure, an amendment from the floor could have been offered. It would have been defeated, but it could have been.
 
Freedom Ventures said:
Peter, as usual - missed the point due to his ignorance of how things actually work.
You're informed of significant news through your sections (Where you can provide feedback) - whether they choose to inform you or not - you can take up with them.
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I guess, I am a master of missing the point.
I just would like to know where I could read about significant changes to happen in the future, maybe you can point me.
I attend most of the matches in Ontario, I check IPSC ON side regularly and don't remember seeing any info about small targets. I read SiteRep and can say I am very active in IPSC, but I never knew that this is coming.
And if you scroll back to the first thread, I was the one who started this post as soon as I have found about changes to the targets.
I was rather surprised, then commenting anything.
 
Freedom Ventures said:
By Hey, Why are we rehashing this all over again? We went down this road a month ago.
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Because there will be meetings in the future where this travesty can be CORRECTED.

We can at least grab the pendulum and stop it in its tracks and hopefully start it moving the other way.

If we just put up with it and move along we die a slow death.

that is why.
 
I do not understand the problem with using a smaller paper target,.....don't we use mini poppers? Can you not hit it,.....what exactly is the problem?
 
maurice said:
I do not understand the problem with using a smaller paper target,.....don't we use mini poppers? Can you not hit it,.....what exactly is the problem?
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I am going to go out on a limb here and say that you have no idea what this thread is really about......

Do us all a favour and read it again from the start.
 
Peter...this info is...and has always been posted on the IPSC.org site.

There are always several dozen changes in the que...so it's not really possible for anyone to decide on someone else's behalf what is significant...and what is just noise.

Also keep in mind that time does not allow for IPSC Ontario to have a referendum every time there are decisions to be made. We welcome any and all comments from the members (about 1100 of you)...but we expect you to arm yourselves with the relevant issues and info. we won't spoon feed you. The info goes from the RD...to the SC...and from the SC...to the Board of Directors (the ones our members elected to represent them)

Also keep in mind that (not that it would ever happen) if all 1100 members in Ontario agreed on a single issue...and the SC votes in favour of something...those 1100 "voices" are now boiled down to approx 25% of the weighed vote at the NEC (Sean can post the actual % if he has it handy) Providing the NEC also agrees on the subject...and all vote in favour...by the time that vote goes to the General Assembly...it is now boiled down to about 1 vote out of 70 (total regions)

What you fail to recognize is...in these situations...the real job of the RD is to use his intell to try and determine what proposed changes have a chance of passing...thus preventing the sections from wasting time and money coming to terms on something we all know will die on the operating table.

It's called "picking your battles"

PeterPan said:
I guess, I am a master of missing the point.
I just would like to know where I could read about significant changes to happen in the future, maybe you can point me.
I attend most of the matches in Ontario, I check IPSC ON side regularly and don't remember seeing any info about small targets. I read SiteRep and can say I am very active in IPSC, but I never knew that this is coming.
And if you scroll back to the first thread, I was the one who started this post as soon as I have found about changes to the targets.
I was rather surprised, then commenting anything.
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