RoArm XCR Frequently Asked Questions, Where
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I totally agree on this. Robarm should have destroyed a hundred XCR's with hardcore endurance testing long before the first ones shipped. Some of the problems the early XCR's had should never have been allowed
The XCR should have been much more bullet proof, no pun intended, when it first launched. Thankfully, Robarm has had 3 years to get the design dialed, so it's a much more competitive product today
Yes non restricted. Yes as well to the 7.62x39 ones. There have been magazine issues with the long 30 round 7.62x39 mags but the short ones (the ones available in Canada) according to others have been good.
Yeah, not really hot on being sold a beta unless I'm TOLD it's a beta. I'm sorry if that's expensive but expensive or no, small company or big, it means nothing in terms of the quality of the gun I'm holding in my hand.
Would Robarm have sold early XCRs to SWAT units? Imagine betting your life on a rifle and being told 1 second before you kick in a door that you are holding a beta version...
I WANT the XCR to turn out to be something great. I think it over regularly. I am not sold yet.
Also I would like to hear ONE name other than John Farnam come up when people start talking XCR!!! Nothing against that guy but I can think of two pretty serious players in the US who drink VZ58 Koolaid...and that's just off the top of my head about a rifle which I think can be legitimately called obscure in the US.
Why can't I find a well-known instructor other than Farnam who will at least say, "Hey, XCRs...those are sweet. I love mine, sometimes I run it instead of my AR"?
I mean there are dozens or hundreds of heavyweight instructors these days, you would think we'd be able to find a few who think it's on par with the AR. But the only guy who ever comes up is John Farnam and all he talks about is the XCR.
I'm sorry, I really want this rifle to succeed but for the time being I am just not there with it. I REALLY want it to work out because it's a non-restricted, sort-of railed rifle (some stuff apparently won't hook up to XCR rails which makes sense - some pic rail attachments do use the middle of the rail to key off) with a monolithic upper and it takes STANAG mags. Great! But I have now known enough guys who I respect who have owned them and told me to stay away that I am waiting until I start hearing different on a regular basis from other guys I respect.
Just being told "you're a hater" from random people who own one means nothing to me...just shows they know very, very little about where my head is at when it comes to guns and shooting.
well, the XCR being non-restricted would definitely make me want to buy one, and the 7.62x39 conversion is a big bonus! i just wish all firearms were non-restricted 
so much more fun to take them out in the wild and plink. maybe one day
so much more fun to take them out in the wild and plink. maybe one day Obviously Clint Smith is well known although after a cursory search I can't find any specific instances of him recommending an XCR...which is not to say he doesn't of course, maybe he does. But I haven't seen it yet.
Ben Kurata I have heard of, but know nothing about.
Dennis Tueller I have only heard of in the context of knife attackers and don't know anything about other than that.
Ben Kurata I have heard of, but know nothing about.
Dennis Tueller I have only heard of in the context of knife attackers and don't know anything about other than that.
Except that most of the so called "haters" have owned or shot the XCR.
The problem isn't the so called haters, its the "irrational lovers" that take a ones negative opinion of the XCR as a personal insult and then defend their beloved rifle as though their mother's life depends on everyone loving the XCR.
Speaking of haters. Armedsask is there an xcr forum you dont spread hate
Throttle_monkey1
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Mine was one the first 25 in Canada. The original trigger blew, but I recently got the new one, much better! I haven't had any problems with mine.
The 300 round break in is minor. My armalite m15 was really tight when new, would barely cycle.
Cars and motorcycles require break-in so 300 rounds is ####-all.
I just really want a PDW upper and 9" barrel.
The 300 round break in is minor. My armalite m15 was really tight when new, would barely cycle.
Cars and motorcycles require break-in so 300 rounds is ####-all.
I just really want a PDW upper and 9" barrel.
Rifles should not need break in - XCR is the first "military" style sporting rifle that advertises a "break-in" preriod. IF this rifle is designed for the military, it will be unacceptable for the military to open up a crate in the theatre to resupply, and the soldiers need to piss 300 rounds down range to "break in" before they can be effective.
However, this could be partly blamed on commerical consumers. Most commerical consumers care much more about cosmetics issue, hence "fit and finish", then any thing else.
However, this could be partly blamed on commerical consumers. Most commerical consumers care much more about cosmetics issue, hence "fit and finish", then any thing else.
That is an excellent accomplishment and I don't doubt Mike Kelly is a much better shooter than I am, but I am not sure if he can be called a "well known instructor".
I don't think I have ever heard anyone dispute that an XCR CAN be a decent rifle...only that so far it is not one that can be considered on par with a lot of other more proven designs. Winning the Canadian Nationals is great and certainly proves Mike Kelly owns one that will run well.
What about the rest of them though?
Before I personally drop a bunch of money in to one, I am going to wait and see if there is a new round of issues Robarms needs to sort out, in addition to the obvious stuff that confuses everyone, like the rail thing.
I'm not trying to stir the pot or anything, but wouldn't a soldier take their rifle to a range and get accustomed to it and sight it in? I know its not going going to take 300 rounds to sight it in, but I would want to practice with it until it felt right.
Isn't anyone tired of any thread with "XCR" in the title degenrating into a debate over "it's good or bad"?
Yeah we all get it. I like mine, you didn't like yours.
OR You don't trust it with your life, no problem.
Just because you love the rifle is no reason to jump on someone who posted about a problem they had.
I think many points have been well made as to strengths and limitations, but why don't we try and keep all of the "it's great" or "it's junk" opinions to a minimum, so people without experience can learn some do's and dont's with this rifle and how to maintain it properly.
Yeah we all get it. I like mine, you didn't like yours.
OR You don't trust it with your life, no problem.
Just because you love the rifle is no reason to jump on someone who posted about a problem they had.
I think many points have been well made as to strengths and limitations, but why don't we try and keep all of the "it's great" or "it's junk" opinions to a minimum, so people without experience can learn some do's and dont's with this rifle and how to maintain it properly.
I agree with Griffin86; there's no way a professional, north american or western european soldier ever used an out-of-the-box, unfired & un-zeroed rifle to a live mission...well at least not after WWII...
Anyway; I want a "gold-dot stamped" new XCR.
I'm even ready to sell my AR15 to try out a 2009 XCR.
Good God, the haters are idiots, and I'm tired of them invading every XCR thread. If you don't like the rifle, just keep it to yourself for Christ's sake!
As for the break in period, there really isn't one. I had ZERO failures in my first 300 rounds. In fact, I've had exactly ONE FTF in close to 3000 rounds. That FTF was MY fault, and involved at least TWO mistakes on my part. I removed the mag, cycled and extracted twice, reinserted the mag, dropped the bolt and then began shooting again.
The 300 round 'break in' period is simply for the adjustment of the gas system. After 300 rounds you reduce the gas setting from the 4 position (high) to 2 (low). That's all the 300 round 'break in' is for. Use the high setting, then turn it down. It still functioned flawlessly, with zero stoppages or FTF's.
As for the break in period, there really isn't one. I had ZERO failures in my first 300 rounds. In fact, I've had exactly ONE FTF in close to 3000 rounds. That FTF was MY fault, and involved at least TWO mistakes on my part. I removed the mag, cycled and extracted twice, reinserted the mag, dropped the bolt and then began shooting again.
The 300 round 'break in' period is simply for the adjustment of the gas system. After 300 rounds you reduce the gas setting from the 4 position (high) to 2 (low). That's all the 300 round 'break in' is for. Use the high setting, then turn it down. It still functioned flawlessly, with zero stoppages or FTF's.
Throttle_monkey1
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Fail. My xcr was ran on gas setting 4 during break in, without a hiccup. My AR15 would not run properly at all for the first couple hundred rounds, it was that tight.
Also, break-in or wear in occurs when any mechanical device is operated for the first time. Contact surfaces wear, even on the most fabled miitary grade rifle.
All weapons have some type of break in. Robarm just happens to be one of the few manufacturers that actually covers break in as a SOP.
If they didn't, you'd have a bunch of knuckle draggers trying to run Wolf or some other junk ammo on gas setting 1 and then wondering why their gun doesn't work.
And it should also come as no shock that guns run better once they get a few rounds through them. I've had plenty of weapons that were a little rough for the first couple of mags, and then become gold with a little use, and lube. The XCR is not special in this regard, but the XCR detractors will indicate otherwise.
See, this is the problem with the XCR threads. Am I telling you not to tell people how much you like it? Most of the XCR threads are asking about the rifle. Doesn't that not mean both the good and the bad?
You can't have only one side of an issue.
