December Purchases

Very few people found the looks of a milsurp rifle appealing in those days. Canada had just gone through two wars and the people were tired of sending their sons off as cannon fodder to quell the evil tides. Milsurp firearms just brought things to close for comfort.
Those inlets were the rage back then. It was in vehicle interiors, furniture, rifle stocks and just about everything you could imagine. Today we look at it as tacky, back then it was fashionable. As for the stock with it's recoil pad, it's more than likely serving dual duty as a spacer as well. In 1955, my father bought a new in grease 303Brit No4 at the local gas station in Princeton BC for $2. That's what the owner was paying for them and was using them to get people to come to his station, rather than the new one on the high way. He had them for several years before they were all gone. Because of so many rifles being flooded on the markets, the milsurps generally got a bad name. Bubba would cut them down and relieve all of the pressure points, try to make them look pretty (in his mind) and in the case of mausers, throw away the pillars. Because of this, the rifles became unreliable and inaccurate. Many ended up in dumps and on lake bottoms or even buried in the outhouse. That rifle in the picture is a fine piece of craftsmanship compared to many I've seen. The fellow that did that one had a drill, saw, some sandpaper and varnish. I'll bet he was all of 10 or 12 years old when he got it for Christmas as a complete rifle and spent the rest of the year "customising" it for deer season, not that anyone paid much attention to seasons back then. If it shoots acceptably, at least he kept it up.

I understand your chagrin but you have no idea what it was like back then. I won't get into this here but the way most people did things and lived then, especially in the country, would curl up the hairs on your neck. If you graduated elementary school, you were considered well educated and prepared for most of what the world had to offer. Hard physical labor was the only work available for most and there were few if any laws or percs. 50-60 hours was a standard work week. My father worked in a copper mine above Princeton in a company town called Copper Mountain. Everything we bought came from the company store. You didn't pay for anything, the store just sent a slip to the accontant at the end of the month and all was deducted from your wages. Just like Tennesee Ernie Ford sang "I owe my soul to the company store". For many, that was literally the truth. The company store sold rifles by the way, the miners used them to supplement their larders.
Things are better now in many ways. Not all but most. In my youth, it wasn't uncommon for a man with a broken limb not to go to a doctor. It cost to much and most, being very self sufficient would get their buddy to set it for them. Same thing for stitches and dentistry. Personally, the first doctor I saw was when I got mumps at 7 years of age. I saw my first dentist in a company school when I was 6. People lived hard back then, many died early as well. Companies would work a man to death and think nothing of it. There was little if any social network but people "got by". It was up hill, both to and from school. Mostly because we hated being locked up in school where as many as six grades in one room was the norm and when we went home, there were some heavy duty chores to complete. With most men and the women that worked, working 6 day weeks, the kids had to do their share. Life is better now by a long shot. So are our rifles. What's left is history and fun, back then, they were a dime a dozen and considered ugly, because they were purpose built to kill people, not big game. It was a common phrase back then. The same was said about military cartridges, hence the "wildcat frenzy" of the period.

Enough already.
 
yup at the time you where consider poor if you hunted with a new number 4. Rich pepole had light sporting guns like remington 700 or winchester or even european guns with fancy engraving. pepole just took what they had and try to emulate that. Just like young pepole today try to convert their small 4 door economy car into sports car.
 
Thanks for your post Bearhunter, I enjoyed it, as I did when when my Grandfather used to tell me stories of growing up on the Saskatchewan prairies in the early 1900s. Even my Mom and Dad tell of thier childhood (40s & 50s) and it gives a new perspective to our lives in 2009.

My only milsurp for the month is this PCMR Win 94 I got from a fine fellow off the EE.
The C Broad Arrows are not as clear as I would have liked, but it will fill a hole in the collection until a better one happens along.

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Augghhh stop me...I've done it again!

Two milsurps...two enfields...in one month. :runaway:

It's a non-matching sporter, but I couldn't resist.

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A 1922 Lithgow (only 2,700 or so built that year it appears) in absolutely excellent condition, but for the mis-match bolt and the missing wood. The fact that it already has the rear handguard is a plus. Not drilled and tapped, and full-length barrel so, in my view an excellent candidate for my first attempt at a restoration.

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So now the fun search begins for Lithgow bits to put 'er to rights.

Okay...no more milsurp purchases now in 2009. ;)
 
2 christmas presents to myself

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the mauser had the most horrible bubba'd laminate stock on it, sadly it was the matching one..i replaced it with some yugo wood for now, it shoots a ton better with the new wood under it

the mosin is your standard m90 31, when it was refinished someone shellacked over the sling holes so some other soviet ran some kinda horrible solvent over the holes and chewed big streaks in the finish, i stripped it all off and im in the process of giving it a couple good coats of oil before i bring it back to its proper color

-T
 
Bearhunter,

Thank you for your insight as to the past. I agree with you, those were the times, and I am sure many of us who would be issued a M16 or other such "modern" rifle or bought one for "cheap" would not hesitate in modifying it, and then, 60 years later, our grandkids would bawk at the very fact we took off the flashlight mountings or some such thing. All is purely relative to times, minus the laws. Some are just still oldfashioned.

Cheers,
Drachenblut
 
I have one of those. It isn't opened either. Leave it as is. They are getting rare. They don't take up much space either.
If you bought it to open it, go ahead. All you will find will be some pristine grey/brown boxes with cartridge description and factory codes. It will dwindle away to nothing and you will have a semi worthless can and a bunch of empty boxes and brass. The ammunition isn't overly accurate and is all fmj ball.

Leave it alone, it's a conversation piece at the very least and will only go up in value if left as is. Remember, "curiosity killed the cat"
 
My Dec milsurps

My first is a Belgium 1950 short rifle in .30-06. I think this may be a Brazilian Navel issue going by the light grey enamil that the metal is finished with, most of the finish is still good 85%+ . stock is in very good shape some dings no gouges. The only bad about the rifle is the receiver crest has be removed. I am very pleased this fills a nice spot on my mauser rack.

My second is a 1943 Long Branch. Again a very nice rifle wood VG no cracks some small gouges. Metal is the black enamil type, finish is missing on both bands, and wood caps but like many LB mags it probably did not have enamil on them. I can't find any C&^ on it so I assume it was built and delivered to the British. The wood is Savage stamped but matched to the rifle. The only bad is that the reciever and bolt do not match. The mag was for a No.1 but I had a spare LB, no big deal . So for all the guys on Van Is. who saw this rifle in the Buy and Sell a few weeks back, I did you a favor and bought this so you wouldn't waste your money on a "junky old LB mismatch":p RF
 
2009 Milsurp Purchases
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1889 Terni M1870/87/15 Italian Vetterli (AOI Marked)
1890 Amberg Gew 88/05 (all matching except for Czech bolt)
BNZ 4 Kar 98K (RC but Swastikas intact)
1936 Ishapore LE No.1 Mk.3 (90% matching, Restoration from a sporter)
1943 Long Branch LE No.4 Mk.1* (90% matching, Restoration from a sporter)
1945 BSA LE No.5 Mk.1 (All original, restoration in progress)
1940 Izhevsk SVT-40
1944 Izhevsk Mosin Nagant M91/30
 
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