Tactical reloading

Man, Todd must have some crazy weak recoil spring in that pistol, to be racking that slide with two fingers from under the dustcover...

The reload with retention is just stupid... why would you drop a partial mag before grabbing a fresh one to replace it with?! Obviously the last reload demonstrated is much better.
 
Contondant said:
The reload with retention is just stupid... why would you drop a partial mag before grabbing a fresh one to replace it with?! Obviously the last reload demonstrated is much better.
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The reload with retention and the tactical reload are meant to be performed when there is a "Pause" in the action or when the action is finished, it is meant to give the user a fully loaded gun IF the action flares up again..... it is not meant to be used under direct fire or while bad guys are still an active theat.

you never know in a battle when a few extra rounds in your firearm will be the rounds needed to end the fight, so always try and go into the fight with a full weapon.... and by saving a half full magazine you may need it before the fight is done, obviously you load it when all your other mags are depleted.
 
you might call me old-timer but in my time tactical could only apply to actions as opposed to things.
For example tactical thinking was the way to think in the military while tactical gun would've gotten you plenty of laughter.
But tactical reloading?
WTF?

tac⋅ti⋅cal
  /ˈtæktɪkəl/ Show Spelled Pronunciation [tak-ti-kuhl] Show IPA
–adjective
1. of or pertaining to tactics, esp. military or naval tactics.
2. characterized by skillful tactics or adroit maneuvering or procedure: tactical movements.
3. of or pertaining to a maneuver or plan of action designed as an expedient toward gaining a desired end or temporary advantage.
4. expedient; calculated.
5. prudent; politic.ing to a maneuver or plan of action designed as an expedient toward gaining a desired end or temporary advantage.
4. expedient; calculated.
5. prudent; politic.


I've yet to see reloading in the military (not even in extremely poor countries :D).

ps: do not reply during the next 3 hours, as I'm watching Star Wars, the Empire Strikes Back in Hi-Def.
 
legi0n said:
5. prudent; politic.ing to a maneuver or plan of action designed as an expedient toward gaining a desired end or temporary advantage.

I've yet to see reloading in the military (not even in extremely poor countries :D).
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I put the above quote in bold so you can see the important parts...

legi0n said:
ps: do not reply during the next 3 hours, as I'm watching Star Wars, the Empire Strikes Back in Hi-Def.
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OK then....:onCrack:
 
beltfed, may your lineage be hit by stray Ion Canon fire, what the H264 do you mean?
is there any of your bolded stuff pertaining to things as opposed to actions?
How does reloading gain [temporary] tactical advantage?
back to the movie now
Do not disturb me any more or else... :D
 
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legi0n said:
How does reloading gain [temporary] tactical advantage?
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by hopefully giving you more bullets in your gun then there are bad guys present..... sort of like refilling your beer while you have your movie on pause to go take a piss, even though your beer is only half empty you allready have the movie paused so it is advantageous for you to fill it up rather then 15 minutes down the line when you would have had to pause the movie again.....

this way you can sit and watch a full 30 minutes of your movie without having to refill your beer, instead of just 15...... that my friend is a tactical reload.
 
TIM_COX said:
by hopefully giving you more bullets in your gun then there are bad guys present..... sort of like refilling your beer while you have your movie on pause to go take a piss, even though your beer is only half empty you allready have the movie paused so it is advantageous for you to fill it up rather then 15 minutes down the line when you would have had to pause the movie again.....

this way you can sit and watch a full 30 minutes of your movie without having to refill your beer, instead of just 15...... that my friend is a tactical reload.
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LOL! Perfect description!!:D
 
TIM_COX said:
The reload with retention and the tactical reload are meant to be performed when there is a "Pause" in the action or when the action is finished, it is meant to give the user a fully loaded gun IF the action flares up again..... it is not meant to be used under direct fire or while bad guys are still an active theat.

you never know in a battle when a few extra rounds in your firearm will be the rounds needed to end the fight, so always try and go into the fight with a full weapon.... and by saving a half full magazine you may need it before the fight is done, obviously you load it when all your other mags are depleted.
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I realize the reasoning behind retaining your ammo in the spent magazine and still topping it up with a full one and obviously you wouldn't do it while someone's pointing a gun at you, but given that option exists to grab a full mag from your pouch, eject the spent one (with retention) and immediately get that full mag in, put your firearm back into the game one handed and then worry about putting the mag somewhere where you'll be able to get at it later, why would you ever do it the other way (empty magwell for several seconds whilst you futz about putting the mag away before grabbing another).

At least with the tactical reload (as Todd calls it, as opposed to the "reload with retention", if the action flares up again, you can just drop that partial mag and put your support hand back on the full pistol.
 
darko said:
Yeah I immediately wondered about that when I first saw the video... crazy weak spring! Does anyone know why?
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most guns from the factory are oversprung. The lighter spring makes the movement of the slide smoother/ less bounce. Basically the pistol tracks better. Lighter IF the guns feeds easily or has been tuned to work with a lighter spring.
 
Contondant said:
I realize the reasoning behind retaining your ammo in the spent magazine and still topping it up with a full one and obviously you wouldn't do it while someone's pointing a gun at you, but given that option exists to grab a full mag from your pouch, eject the spent one (with retention) and immediately get that full mag in, put your firearm back into the game one handed and then worry about putting the mag somewhere where you'll be able to get at it later, why would you ever do it the other way (empty magwell for several seconds whilst you futz about putting the mag away before grabbing another).

At least with the tactical reload (as Todd calls it, as opposed to the "reload with retention", if the action flares up again, you can just drop that partial mag and put your support hand back on the full pistol.
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A 'Reload with Retention' is much faster than a 'Tactical Reload'. If you don't believe me get a shot timer and try both 'on the clock'. There is also much more of a 'fumble factor' with a TR vice a RwR.
 
Curmudgeon said:
A 'Reload with Retention' is much faster than a 'Tactical Reload'. If you don't believe me get a shot timer and try both 'on the clock'. There is also much more of a 'fumble factor' with a TR vice a RwR.
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There's a far simpler solution to the reload dilemma. All reloads are done the same, the same as an emergency/slide lock reload. Retrieve fresh magazine prior to or while ejecting partial/spent magazine. Insert magazine, cycle the slide, retrieve spent/partial magazine if the situation permits.

If you're executing a TR or a RwR you have time to pick up the dumped mag. If you don't have time or a threat presents itself, you've executed the fastest reload possible without the possibility of stuffing the partial/empty mag back into the gun.

TDC
 
TDC said:
There's a far simpler solution to the reload dilemma. All reloads are done the same, the same as an emergency/slide lock reload. Retrieve fresh magazine prior to or while ejecting partial/spent magazine. Insert magazine, cycle the slide, retrieve spent/partial magazine if the situation permits.

If you're executing a TR or a RwR you have time to pick up the dumped mag. If you don't have time or a threat presents itself, you've executed the fastest reload possible without the possibility of stuffing the partial/empty mag back into the gun.

TDC
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Well, that's exactly what I'm saying. At least with the tactical reload (which you wouldn't be performing unless you "tactically" considered you had time), you have the gun reloaded and then you started futzing about with the partial mag, finding a place for it... it may not be as fast overall (although I'm sure the difference is marginal), but it spends much, much more time with the pistol topped up and ready for action, as opposed to practically empty with just one in the pipe.
 
Of our friends who are permitted to carry, I wonder how many of them tote around four or five mags?

Tactical reload...meh. IMO your better off practicing drawing from concealment, point shooting and weapon retention during a struggle.

Isn't a handgun supposed to be used to fight your way back to your rifle?
 
Speaking from an ODPL standpoint, reloads done on your own accord ie: not an empty mag but when there is a lull, must be a tactical reload. Idea being is that with a tactical reload you always have a mag in your hand just in case. In a reload with retention there is a moment there where you no mag in your hand. Think of it as an insurance policy and when you really think about it it makes sense. With practice the tactical reload can be achieved very quickly.
 
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