Yes.
PPC vs IPSC vs IDPA
- Thread starter dudley2112
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Yes.
Well....actually I better not touch this one!
How about the fact that IDPA encourages clubs not to charge for courses.
My SO course is approx $30 (mainly for the cost of the shirt) can IPSC say the same?
My new shooter orientation cost $10.
Additionally, in IDPA you can compete in any division with basic gear and guns, and actually be competitive. It's my understanding in IPSC if you want to be competitive in some (open) divisions, its going to require a pretty good amount of money.
I'm not saying IPSC isn't fun, I've never shot it before. My point being, especially to someone just getting into it, is that IDPA will usually be cheaper.
Personally, I have always had a ##### about IPSC not accepting my holster cert either, that's a huge piss off. I don't need the BB course to learn about scoring and rules, I can do that on my own. You don't see that in IDPA, we actually recognize the BB to encourage people to come out and shoot. Scoring and shooting strategies can be learned along the way, just as long as your safe
Steve David
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You bet.
CDP is .45acp only. S/A, DA/SA or DAO guns can play as long as they are .45acp and weigh 41 oz or less. The Rule Book is located here:
www.idpa.com
You will find what limited mods are allowed in this and the other two pistol divisions and what mods aren't.
Take Care
Bob
www.idpa.com
You will find what limited mods are allowed in this and the other two pistol divisions and what mods aren't.
Take Care
Bob
Steve David
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Oshawa, Ontario
What is CDP?
Almost.
Don't forget that the Black Badge course fee includes a 1 year membership in IPSC. Last time I helped teach a course, the course fee was $100. This was $70 for the membership, and then $30 for the course materials and the instructors time. Of course, if you were not a range member, you had to pay the daycard fees as well.
IPSC Canada is not going to rely on an outside organisation to certify it's members. A BB is much more than a "Holster Certification"
Frankly I have no idea of why IDPA would do the same (by accepting BB's). If I was a member of IDPA and went to a match only to be held up by a squad full of IPSC shooters "learning as they go" (ie..slowing the match to a crawl) I would be less than pleased.
Then that is a sad difference between IDPA/IPSC. We are very accommodating of new shooters who have no idea whats going on....at least all the matches I have ever shot at. As long as your safe and having fun, I have no qualms.
stormbringer
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
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- S.W. Ontario
Quick.............look up.
See that thing above your head.
Yes that glowing ball...
See it?
That would be Quigley's point. You appear to have missed it.
My rational for accepting a BB as "proof" of holster skilz is that if nothing else IPSC canada has done a good job of coming up with and running a training program that does give students the ability to shoot safely from a holster and without a fixed firing line... That's all I need from a shooter. Like someone said... Scoring etc can be taught/learned later.
IPSC should be proud that everyone thinks their BB course is so good.
Now of course the whole BB/holster cert. idea appears to be a uniquely "Canadian" creation. 'Likely born out of our over-blown culture of safety..
Having shot many action matches in the USA... I've never been asked about "holster" qualification. You have a gun and a holster... Your qualified
IPSC Canada can't rely on IDPA, or CDPA, or ODPA...or any other DPA...to tell us you are safe. That doesn't make us unaccommodating
My rational for accepting a BB as "proof" of holster skilz is that if nothing else IPSC canada has done a good job of coming up with and running a training program that does give students the ability to shoot safely from a holster and without a fixed firing line... That's all I need from a shooter. Like someone said... Scoring etc can be taught/learned later.
IPSC should be proud that everyone thinks their BB course is so good.
Now of course the whole BB/holster cert. idea appears to be a uniquely "Canadian" creation. 'Likely born out of our over-blown culture of safety..
Having shot many action matches in the USA... I've never been asked about "holster" qualification. You have a gun and a holster... Your qualified
Don't get me wrong...I'm very happy to see IDPA as an organisation...taking off in Canada. It's exactly what the Defensive sport needs to grow.
Steve David
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Oshawa, Ontario
In all seriousness, we went down this road once before and it was not at all fun, how about we leave this resiprocity issue about shooting courses alone. If you want to shoot IDPA, take the New Shooter Orientation, if you want to shoot IPSC take the Black Badge course and if you want to shoot PPC take the PPC course. You will enjoy all of them as each disipline has it's own unique way of shooting and all are fun. I mostly shoot IDPA myself, that is what I prefer to shoot, and I love to shoot PPC when i have time, it is bar none the best way to hone accuracy with you pistol, but shoot what you can, if you can shoot all three, even better. Back to the original post, get out and check out all three shooting sports, see what you think you would like and try it.
My rational for accepting a BB as "proof" of holster skilz is that if nothing else IPSC canada has done a good job of coming up with and running a training program that does give students the ability to shoot safely from a holster and without a fixed firing line... That's all I need from a shooter. Like someone said... Scoring etc can be taught/learned later.
IPSC should be proud that everyone thinks their BB course is so good.
Now of course the whole BB/holster cert. idea appears to be a uniquely "Canadian" creation. 'Likely born out of our over-blown culture of safety..
Having shot many action matches in the USA... I've never been asked about "holster" qualification. You have a gun and a holster... Your qualified
I agree, the Black Badge course is not just about holster certification; it is about gun handling, clearing malfunctions, movement, trigger finger out of the boom button area, moving with a pistol in your hand, safe direction (and how to figure that out with dynamic stage design), and making sure the game is played fairly. The rules are sometimes influenced with safety in mind. ONE accident is too many. Just one, could have grevious results.
There are also liabilities for organizations. I was a little shocked when I was in Maine at a USPSA match. The regulars were safe enough, but the less experienced shooters who "just showed up with a gun and holster
", scared the ba-jesus out of me. . I am glad I was not on their squad. What a PITA. Taking the Black Badge course shows that you are open and willing to learn something new about this particular sport. THe black badge course helps emphasize the basics, FINGER placement, muzzle direction, and gun handling.
When people know the game it can make things run smoother. I hate to say it, but I would not want shooters showing up who had no idea what the basic rules are, especially safety rules!!!!
