PPC vs IPSC vs IDPA

Steve David said:
In all seriousness, we went down this road once before and it was not at all fun, how about we leave this resiprocity issue about shooting courses alone. If you want to shoot IDPA, take the New Shooter Orientation, if you want to shoot IPSC take the Black Badge course and if you want to shoot PPC take the PPC course. You will enjoy all of them as each disipline has it's own unique way of shooting and all are fun. I mostly shoot IDPA myself, that is what I prefer to shoot, and I love to shoot PPC when i have time, it is bar none the best way to hone accuracy with you pistol, but shoot what you can, if you can shoot all three, even better. Back to the original post, get out and check out all three shooting sports, see what you think you would like and try it.
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ppc is one of the best ways to work on accuracy. If I had time to shoot all 3 I would!!!
 
PPC is not really an action game.. It is a precision game.. Your longest shots will be 50 yards... or 25 to a smaller target... Unlike IDPA and IPSC it's a race against the clock unlike a race against the other competitors.. There is no advantage to shooting faster then everyone else as long as you get all your rounds off and in the X ring...
 
Oddly enough, if my IDPA holster cert was accepted, I would likely give IPSC a shot....Until that happens, likely not.
 
Onagoth said:
Oddly enough, if my IDPA holster cert was accepted, I would likely give IPSC a shot....Until that happens, likely not.
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thats a shame.:ar15:, You would have fun. However, you have to want to participate in IPSC, IPSC does not need to participate in you.
 
maurice said:
I was a little shocked when I was in Maine at a USPSA match. The regulars were safe enough, but the less experienced shooters who "just showed up with a gun and holster:runaway:", scared the ba-jesus out of me. :eek:. I am glad I was not on their squad. What a PITA.
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My experience has been a bit different... Out of all the shoots I've gone to in the US there have been maybe a couple of guys who needed some pointers as to safer gun handling... Other than that I've always felt at ease on US ranges.. I find they enforce good safety practices.

That said... I've also met/RO'd Canadian IPSC BB holders who looked as if they'd never handled a gun before. The only guys I've ever personally DQ'd were all BB holders... 'Just goes to show that anything is possible.
 
Steve David said:
In all seriousness, we went down this road once before and it was not at all fun, how about we leave this resiprocity issue about shooting courses alone. If you want to shoot IDPA, take the New Shooter Orientation, if you want to shoot IPSC take the Black Badge course and if you want to shoot PPC take the PPC course. You will enjoy all of them as each disipline has it's own unique way of shooting and all are fun. I mostly shoot IDPA myself, that is what I prefer to shoot, and I love to shoot PPC when i have time, it is bar none the best way to hone accuracy with you pistol, but shoot what you can, if you can shoot all three, even better. Back to the original post, get out and check out all three shooting sports, see what you think you would like and try it.
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Once?
 
Onagoth said:
Actually, was he maybe referencing Canadian Defensive Pistol? Not to be confused with the CDP class of IDPA

http://www.canadiandefensivepistol.org/
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Yup, Canadian Defensive Pistol. It's the only one that my club offered. I wanted IDPA. Is there something wrong? My club annual membership is due, so, I want to find out whether it is worth it, or find a club with IDPA.

So, what is the difference between CDP and IDPA? Or is there a tension between the two organization?
 
I am surpised CDP is still being offered in Ontario. I would try IDPA if it was in my area. The IDPA folks in Canada have expressed interest in bringing IDPA to NB.
 
maurice said:
I am surpised CDP is still being offered in Ontario. I would try IDPA if it was in my area. The IDPA folks in Canada have expressed interest in bringing IDPA to NB.
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I have been told by my mother in law that if I do not bring her daughter, my wife, and grand children down there this year year for a visit, and not later this year, I will no longer be the favorite son in law, we will be dong something soon.
 
CKWang said:
Yup, Canadian Defensive Pistol. It's the only one that my club offered. I wanted IDPA. Is there something wrong? My club annual membership is due, so, I want to find out whether it is worth it, or find a club with IDPA.

So, what is the difference between CDP and IDPA? Or is there a tension between the two organization?
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Why don't you get involved with your club and get it affiliated with IDPA if that is what you want?
 
maurice said:
I am surpised CDP is still being offered in Ontario. I would try IDPA if it was in my area. The IDPA folks in Canada have expressed interest in bringing IDPA to NB.
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The fact that you are limited to three mags in IDPA will save a new shooter a couple bucks over the large number of mags that the IPSC shooters carry. The maximum required shot limit (18) is a lot lower than IPSC as well, thus saving a few bucks.

I currently shoot IDPA and wouldn't mind trying IPSC sometime down the road (I'm not prejudiced, lol). I will probably do the BB course the next time it's offered here as well, more for the experience than anything else.
 
Don't get me wrong I am an IDPA shooter and that is my sport of choice. However I think IDPA as a whole would be better of if the Holster Certification was more along the lines as the BB course.
 
Onagoth said:
How about the fact that IDPA encourages clubs not to charge for courses.

My SO course is approx $30 (mainly for the cost of the shirt) can IPSC say the same?

My new shooter orientation cost $10.

Additionally, in IDPA you can compete in any division with basic gear and guns, and actually be competitive. It's my understanding in IPSC if you want to be competitive in some (open) divisions, its going to require a pretty good amount of money.



I'm not saying IPSC isn't fun, I've never shot it before. My point being, especially to someone just getting into it, is that IDPA will usually be cheaper.

Personally, I have always had a ##### about IPSC not accepting my holster cert either, that's a huge piss off. I don't need the BB course to learn about scoring and rules, I can do that on my own. You don't see that in IDPA, we actually recognize the BB to encourage people to come out and shoot. Scoring and shooting strategies can be learned along the way, just as long as your safe
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i hear this all of the time from IDPA guys. the last two came up to me afterwards and said that the BB was head and shoulders above what they had leaned in IDPA. Anybody not having taking the BB course will have a hard time understanding this.
 
Quigley said:
IPSC Canada can't rely on IDPA, or CDPA, or ODPA...or any other DPA...to tell us you are safe. That doesn't make us unaccommodating
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No but taking the Black Badge doesn't guarantee you are safe either. It just tells me you have taken the course. Oh and I have my Black Badge.

In the past two years I have seen at IPSC Qualifiers, one AD where the shooters fingers slipped the hammer lowering the hammer on the gun (He used a very ackward method of lowering the hammer), one 1911 tossed in the air with the safety off as the shooter transferred his gun from strong to weak hand on a Stage which called the gun to be drawn from the holster, then transferred to the weak hand with targets engaged from the weak hand. Not to be out done an IDPA shooter that took our SO course from me shot himself in the leg at a club shoot when he forced his Glock into his holster with his finger in the trigger guard. I also have had a shooter do a 360 on me at a Sanctioned Match when he got confused as to where he was going.

There is no magic to gun safety nor to the likliehood for an accident to happen. Both the Black Badge and the IDPA New Shooter Orientation Course are courses designed to allow the new shooter to demonstrate a degree of gun handling abilities plus introduce the shooter to the rules of the game.

I am sure both courses reduce but do not eliminate the possiblity of mishaps but they don't eliminate the possibility and I hope none of us get to complacent.

While IDPA accepts shooters who have taken the Black Badge we don't assume the course guarantees the shooters are safe but we do rely on your instructors assessment and integrity that they have a minimum ability to handle a gun from a holster. They do have the basic rules differences between IDPA and IPSC explained to them. This was the tack taken when I attended my first IPSC club match a few years back, well before I ever took my Black Badge and started to shoot IPSC regularly. For shooters wishing to shoot IPSC the Black Badge is a requirement and useful but it is not a magic pill to gun safe handling practices as some of you well know.

Take Care

Bob
 
The days in the sun can be long and tiring. Mistakes will happen when the mind losses focus. Any kind of training hopefully helps to make those safe practices automatic.

Lets hope for a safe year for all shooting groups. One bad accident in any shooting sport means more ammo for those Lieberals. :cheers:
 
Shoot ODPL (Ont Defensine Pistol League, off shoot of IDPA) now and love it. Was a IPSC shooter long ago and also enjoyed it but with the changes in catagories etc I lost interest. Thought about trying but watched a match this summer and NO! Not the same, seems more blast and sprint (1 stage was a good 60M long with 5+ mag changes.
Each to their own. Have also shoot PPC and enjoyed that also. As said try each and make your own decision. Some are far more expensive to get into so it depends on your cash, time and equipment.

Just have fun and be safe.

Doug
 
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