Question for 9mm shooters in IPSC open division
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Pros: Cheap, plentiful brass. Soft shooting for 180PF.
Cons: Hard to find hot 9mm at a match... ie. Can't buy factory major 9mm.
Running 8.0gr of Longshot behind a 124gr bullet. About a 180PF.
I built my gun. It is very reliable (once tuned correctly). Never owned a 38 super. No, I would never own a super... Built on a 2011.
Dan
Cons: Hard to find hot 9mm at a match... ie. Can't buy factory major 9mm.
Running 8.0gr of Longshot behind a 124gr bullet. About a 180PF.
I built my gun. It is very reliable (once tuned correctly). Never owned a 38 super. No, I would never own a super... Built on a 2011.
Dan
What barrel did ou use. Are you seeing massive amounts of pressure. What is the velocity
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- Toronto,Ontario
Are we using the same 9x19 Brass picked up from the range and just to make it hotter and longer? Or we need something else.
Are there any out of the box 9mm open gun at the range within CAD$2500 but still shoot well with may be only a minor adjustment?
I've never shot a "Major 9" before, and never owned one. However, reports I have from talking with gunsmiths and shooters in the US that use/build them regularly is
a) It is very hard on the brass. You get about two firings out of a case before the primer pockets get so loose that the primers fall out. That's okay, you never pick up the brass anyways. Keep in mind that they have a much greater supply of cheap 9mm brass than we do.
b) Extraction is the key. It is very hard to get an extractor tuned perfectly so that you get consistent ejection. One gunsmith goes so far as to say that the sideways scope mount is preferred otherwise you can get malfunctions during ejection. He says that as many as 1 out of 5 of the guns he builds may have some extraction problems if a sideways scope mount is not used.
c) Performance does not seem to be appreciably different from .38 super given the wide variety of powders and bullets now. Sure, you can never get enough powder in 9mm major to make multi-port hybrid guns work as well as a super can, but there are many super guns out there that don't even use hybrid ports and still function fine.
Other than the cheaper brass, I don't see any advantage of the 9mm Major over Super, and once enough people move over to Major 9, the brass ain't gonna stay that much cheaper for long.
1911 vs 2011.
I don't know why anyone would build a racegun on a 1911 frame. If you ever go traveling and shoot open outside of Canada, you'll be at a severe disadvantage.
a) It is very hard on the brass. You get about two firings out of a case before the primer pockets get so loose that the primers fall out. That's okay, you never pick up the brass anyways. Keep in mind that they have a much greater supply of cheap 9mm brass than we do.
b) Extraction is the key. It is very hard to get an extractor tuned perfectly so that you get consistent ejection. One gunsmith goes so far as to say that the sideways scope mount is preferred otherwise you can get malfunctions during ejection. He says that as many as 1 out of 5 of the guns he builds may have some extraction problems if a sideways scope mount is not used.
c) Performance does not seem to be appreciably different from .38 super given the wide variety of powders and bullets now. Sure, you can never get enough powder in 9mm major to make multi-port hybrid guns work as well as a super can, but there are many super guns out there that don't even use hybrid ports and still function fine.
Other than the cheaper brass, I don't see any advantage of the 9mm Major over Super, and once enough people move over to Major 9, the brass ain't gonna stay that much cheaper for long.
1911 vs 2011.
I don't know why anyone would build a racegun on a 1911 frame. If you ever go traveling and shoot open outside of Canada, you'll be at a severe disadvantage.
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I've been shooting a Bedell 9mm major for about a year. It eats and ejects all my reloads. I'm loading 7.0 grains of Ramshot Silhouette with a 124gr rn. I never worry about losing brass.
Initially I had a hard time finding the dot but it's alot easier after replacing the mount with one of these http://quinn2.com/index.php?main_pa...roducts_id=1&zenid=jau0nrdkfj2l0mvf4lmm3464n6
Initially I had a hard time finding the dot but it's alot easier after replacing the mount with one of these http://quinn2.com/index.php?main_pa...roducts_id=1&zenid=jau0nrdkfj2l0mvf4lmm3464n6
9mm open
i got my old SVI rebuilded as a 9mm major by RK custom
i just got a simple STI barrel not ported
aftec 9mm extractor
STI plastic shims and follower for my old 38 super mag
the most important point of equipement is the CCG scope mount by matt cheeley
this thing is so great , it clear the upper portion of you slide so there is no trouble with ejection, i still have the regular 38 super ejector in the gun ,but evrybody who shoot 38 super will laugh at your gun caue the scope mount is awkward (but i laugh at their face when they pick up their brass or when i step on 38 super brass on the ground )but it bring the dot closer to the slide so less adaptation when you switch back to STD or PROD
i have shot the softest load 3.0 of clays with a 124gr and it feed and eject really well
and i have shot the hardest load 8.0gr of LONGSHOT and it still work
my main load is currently 7.3 gr of longshot with a 124 = 164pf
i got my old SVI rebuilded as a 9mm major by RK custom
i just got a simple STI barrel not ported
aftec 9mm extractor
STI plastic shims and follower for my old 38 super mag
the most important point of equipement is the CCG scope mount by matt cheeley
this thing is so great , it clear the upper portion of you slide so there is no trouble with ejection, i still have the regular 38 super ejector in the gun ,but evrybody who shoot 38 super will laugh at your gun caue the scope mount is awkward (but i laugh at their face when they pick up their brass or when i step on 38 super brass on the ground )but it bring the dot closer to the slide so less adaptation when you switch back to STD or PROD
i have shot the softest load 3.0 of clays with a 124gr and it feed and eject really well
and i have shot the hardest load 8.0gr of LONGSHOT and it still work
my main load is currently 7.3 gr of longshot with a 124 = 164pf
Thanks guy's, The only reason why I'm thinking of going 9mm major is the brass. 38 super is hard to find and expensive. 9mm brass is dirt cheap,I'm just tired of picking brass up for other shooter in my squad, then when it's my turn I'd get 1/4 back
, so I'll be like some shooter's. After you shoot, find your mags, forget the brass and move on
, so I'll be like some shooter's. After you shoot, find your mags, forget the brass and move onSchuemann AET Ultimatch barrel.
Pressure effects are minimal compared to many other powders. Flattening the primer but that's it (no primer flow). Granted I am using small rifle primers which are harder and take the pressure better. Other powders blow out the case well before this point.
I'm running 1450 fps. It runs my comp better.
Yes, same 9x19 brass. Loaded hotter and somewhat longer. I don't use the spacers in my mags with 9mm. ie. straight 38 super mags.
Yes, you can buy an off the shelf 9mm Major gun. STI builds the Trubor in 9mm Major. SVI offers 9mm as an option also.
Dan
I'm using a 9mm Aftec with both springs. The extractor has been tuned (as all extractors should be...) by polishing, rolling edges, etc. It has also been installed as per the instructions. ie. They are not "drop-in" extractors, they must be tuned along with the firing pin stop to allow proper movement of said extractor.
At this point, the Aftec works but as I've found out (much like others...) they don't work when you're missing a spring... For that matter, there are numerous posts out there that point to springs going soft during a match and the Aftec failing. You be the judge...
C.O.L. depends on the ogive of the bullet... I'm running between 1.145" with short stubby 124's to 1.175" with longer, narrower 124's. It's enough to seat in the case and crimp (with a good crimp) so the bullet won't pull out.
Ok, no problem... I guess I should admit that this is one of the areas where the .38 Super shines... Bigger case means more powder for gases.
Gases are what run the compensator (or comp) on the open guns. The more gas available means the comp will run more efficiently.
So in my case, by pushing my velocities up to 1450 fps, I am in fact using more powder and creating more gas. This then allows the comp to push down "harder" when the gun is fired thereby allowing for a flatter recoiling gun.
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- Toronto,Ontario
bc shooter,
Is the crimping for the 9mm major should be tighter than the normal 9mm loads? How much tighter is consider right?
Is the crimping for the 9mm major should be tighter than the normal 9mm loads? How much tighter is consider right?
If you over crimp a 9 (any 9) you're apt to end up with loose bullets.
I have the lighest crimp I can get and still have it feed properly. It's pretty much just removeing the bell that the powder station left...
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- Toronto,Ontario
Looking at the Tanfoglio Gold Custom Eric 2007, is it a good first open pistol to go for?
I am well set up for my CZ Shadow for Production. If switch to open, is all I need is another race holster that fit and load the ammo much hotter, thats it?
Any good source loading data for 9mm Major?
I am well set up for my CZ Shadow for Production. If switch to open, is all I need is another race holster that fit and load the ammo much hotter, thats it?
Any good source loading data for 9mm Major?
There's quite a bit of load data on the Brian Enos forums...
