.308 hmmm,

At what range would you take a moose with a .308 you are competent with

  • 100 yrds and less

    Votes: 40 5.1%

  • 200 yrds and less

    Votes: 222 28.1%

  • 300 yrds and less

    Votes: 315 39.9%

  • 400 yrds and less

    Votes: 213 27.0%
  • Total voters
    790
I just recalled a video that a freind of mine made.

He and his wife were riding their horses and had a few packhorses when they saw a grizzly across a meadow, and started filming the grizzly, who was unaware of them for the time being. I think the wind was in thier favor.

He coughed and you see the grizzly instantly put it's head up, and start to charge. The video gets a bit crazy then as you hear my friend yelling at the bear, then the ca-chunk of a bolt being manipulated and more yelling then finally BOOM....BOOM...........

And one finisher BOOM...

His wife left the camera on but you can't see much just hear her hyperventilating during the ordeal and the gunshots and horses.

Rifle of choice was a Tikka 695 chambered in .308
:)
 
up until that day have never seen a bear run holy crap can they move . One thing about the first bear that i shot i was in total aw at how it just seem to be floating of the ground. the bear body moved say a foot off the ground it was like a ghost . and the hide was all blown back it was very serreal .the first bear that i shot was hit in the spine i remember seeing all of its legs go stiff after the shot and it skidded to a stop . 200mile to the hospital had him in the emerg in 2.05hrs. the key know who is around you to help if #### hit the fan. We new of a bush camp and prayed there would be a chopper . prayers answered a chopper was just landing
 
Good to hear your buddy got help quick.

Make no mistake about it, in the event of a bear charge, I'd like a powerful rifle, but you gotta fight with what you brought. And this thread isn't about stopping grizzlies with a .308, it's about hunting with it.:D
 
again not trying or wanting to wear out the welcome looking at my reloading specs.from what i have read so far the round of choice for the 308 is 165 grain the mv would be 2600 the me is 2477 .the 340 250 grain mv 2700 me is 4048 .you guys are right about the cns but on a full on frontal you would think more is better. anyways i can get you some pics once i figure out how to load them on this lap top .hope i did not piss to many of you off. but like i tell my buds its better to be]pissed off then piss on
 
I'm thinking I remember hearing about this story if I'm right after your buddy was in the hospital a reporter asked him if he was going to quit hunting he told them no he was going to get a bigger gun...

I carry a 375RUM in grizzly country now with a SRH in 454 Casull in a cross draw holster on my hip.

Damn it is good to have an ATC permit... :p
 
450rules said:
again not trying or wanting to wear out the welcome looking at my reloading specs.from what i have read so far the round of choice for the 308 is 165 grain the mv would be 2600 the me is 2477 .the 340 250 grain mv 2700 me is 4048 .you guys are right about the cns but on a full on frontal you would think more is better. anyways i can get you some pics once i figure out how to load them on this lap top .hope i did not piss to many of you off. but like i tell my buds its better to be]pissed off then piss on
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I pack a 30/30 everywhere...Grizzly country and gopher country..:)

My advanatge is that this is my hunting rifle and I set out with the intent to hunt, not fend off bears..

Now I know that I much more proficient with this gun, then if I went and got a 338 win ... I'd be years getting the comfort level I have with the 30/30.

Inside 50 yards, I'm satisfied with the gun for defense.

I used to carry a 45/70 a lot, not so much anymore, but sometimes....

ahhh, alas... this thread is about the .308..:)
 
450rules said:
again not trying or wanting to wear out the welcome looking at my reloading specs.from what i have read so far the round of choice for the 308 is 165 grain the mv would be 2600 the me is 2477 .the 340 250 grain mv 2700 me is 4048 .you guys are right about the cns but on a full on frontal you would think more is better. anyways i can get you some pics once i figure out how to load them on this lap top .hope i did not piss to many of you off. but like i tell my buds its better to be]pissed off then piss on
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I'm using factory 165 grain loads that have a muzzle velocity of 2700 fps at the muzzle and muzzle energy of 2671 (this info right off the manufacturer's website)

As I said, I made a very nice double lung shot at 500 yards on an elk in fall 08. I can consistenyly shoot accurately up to 500 yards no problem and regularly practice out to that distance every summer.

It's worth noting that the .308 has consistently been the sniper rifle of choice for US armed forces for many years. I believe it's also been the choice of many other armed forces. Consider how many other calibres are available and ask yourself why it's the .308 and not a 7mm magnum or a 300 win mag or any other magnum.

Bigger doesn't mean better. Accuracy is what counts..........period end of story.

Oh and here's a tip for you. Try some proper capitalization and punctuation in your messages. It not only makes you look intelligent and literate, but it also makes it a lot easier for everybody to read.
 
450rules said:
up until that day have never seen a bear run holy crap can they move . One thing about the first bear that i shot i was in total aw at how it just seem to be floating of the ground. the bear body moved say a foot off the ground it was like a ghost . and the hide was all blown back it was very serreal .the first bear that i shot was hit in the spine i remember seeing all of its legs go stiff after the shot and it skidded to a stop . 200mile to the hospital had him in the emerg in 2.05hrs. the key know who is around you to help if s**t hit the fan. We new of a bush camp and prayed there would be a chopper . prayers answered a chopper was just landing
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Glad your friend made it. Hell of a story.

I've seen barren land grizzlies cover ground the same way. Faster than you'd think any animal should have a right to move.
 
Gatehouse said:
I just recalled a video that a freind of mine made.

He and his wife were riding their horses and had a few packhorses when they saw a grizzly across a meadow, and started filming the grizzly, who was unaware of them for the time being. I think the wind was in thier favor.

He coughed and you see the grizzly instantly put it's head up, and start to charge. The video gets a bit crazy then as you hear my friend yelling at the bear, then the ca-chunk of a bolt being manipulated and more yelling then finally BOOM....BOOM...........

And one finisher BOOM...

His wife left the camera on but you can't see much just hear her hyperventilating during the ordeal and the gunshots and horses.

Rifle of choice was a Tikka 695 chambered in .308
:)
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Well, post it then.:D


And Calum, don't be ridiculous, this is CGN, the majority of the membership is far too east to worry about grizzly defence, so it is never discussed.:p
 
Shot placement is king. A well placed 308 win will beat a poorly place 300 mag. A lot of people will place the 300 poorly. Shoot as much gun as you can handle.
 
At 400 yards your 165 or 180 gr. bullet will not expand.
Moose will run off, and slowly bleed out from the lungs with a tiny .308 cal hole and eventually die.
Result, you will kill the Moose but probably never retrieve it, unless you have enough snow to find him, or...................unless you are lucky enough to spine him.
A .308 Winnie is a nice cartridge but it is not a .300 Win mag.
Know the limitations of what you shoot.
 
shrike said:
At 400 yards your 165 or 180 gr. bullet will not expand.
Moose will run off, and slowly bleed out from the lungs with a tiny .308 cal hole and eventually die.
Result, you will kill the Moose but probably never retrieve it, unless you have enough snow to find him, or...................unless you are lucky enough to spine him.
A .308 Winnie is a nice cartridge but it is not a .300 Win mag.
Know the limitations of what you shoot.
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tsk tsk...
 
Capt. blues you are wrong. It is not only accuracy that counts but accuracy and terminal performance is what is REQUIRED in hunting.

The .308 does not expand adequately past the 300 yard mark to make large wound channels that result in a quick death.
Animals run off a long way with a .308 cal. hole in their lung, specially big animals like elk and moose because it takes longer for them to bleed out. They will die and very often will not be not be retrieved. What a waste of a beautifull animal and delicious meat.

Purpose of hunting is a fast humane kill.
Purpose of military sniping is to kill/injure military personell. It makes no hooting difference for military purpose if the taliban fighter gets gutshot or lungshot. Either way he dies or will tie up military personell to look after him. Mission acomplished.

Big game animals are not enemy personell. They deserve to be treated with respect.
We kill them because we like to eat them and/or use their hides/horns for decorations.
They have done you or your country no harm. They put no road bombs out, neither do they slit throats on TV. Therefor they deserve a fast and as painless possible death.

Inadequate terminal performance of your bullet is therefore not acceptable.

You want good .308 cal. terminal performance to kill moose elk past the 300 yard mark, move up to the appropriate power class and get a .300 Win.mag. or similar.
 
You want good .308 cal. terminal performance to kill moose elk past the 300 yard mark, move up to the appropriate power class and get a .300 Win.mag. or similar.
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Shucks... it only took 34 pages for someone to finally say this and it comes from a newbie...

What can I say other than I agree 100%...

You want to hunt truly big game put away your pussy little 308 Win and get a cartridge that will push your bullet to a velocity that it will reliably do it's job.

Whats that saying "know your limit stay within it"...

shrike welcome aboard... :D
 
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