Never on Wild TV ?

I would still love to see a hound hunt for deer, been on a lot of bunny hunts and few coyote hunts, lots of fun.

Would I ever hunt a deer with hounds? I don't, can't knock it until I try it, or at least see it on TV.

And by the way, Wild TV is a television station, not a show, they just show teh shows, but definitely send an email to Canada in the Rough as they do support all forms of hunting.
 
I am totally pleased that this thread remained positive :)

I was a nay sayer on deer hounds till I became involved in a camp that used them. Just as many of you have said you would choose NOT to hunt with dogs, I have gone totally the other way, to me I can't see how sitting till a deer walked out in a field so you could shoot it with-out it ever knowing you were there can be called Hunting. I would choose NOT to do that.
Perhaps it is a vision of frantic, frightened deer running panicing thru the bush. I have never seen that. It may be true is some cases with some large dogs, but running beagles, the deer are usually just trotting many hundreds of yards ahead. The fastest beagle alive could never keep a deer in sight if it choose.
 
JeffN said:
Im sure we could shoot more deer without the hounds but like said its an awesome sound hearing them coming over the ridges.
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We've wondered that ourselves at our deer camp, but have come to the conclusion that hound hunting is particularly well-suited to the forests of north-central Ontario, where the country is big, deer densities are moderate at best, the cover is thick and there are few open fields or agricultural crops to speak of. Here the deer cannot be "patterned" in the conventional sense of movements between bedding and feeding areas. These deer rely on browse, so they eat where they sleep and they sleep where they eat.

Outside of our annual deer hunt with hounds, several of us in our camp are quite accomplished at hunting deer in southern Ontario using other common methods; waiting in treestands & ground blinds, calling, etc. So, over the last several years at deer camp, a few of us have taken to sitting solo in the woods until dusk, while the rest of the guys are in camp relaxing after a day of deer drives and hound chases. The result so far is that none of us evening "tree sitters" have taken a deer yet in that manner. In fact, we're not even seeing deer!!!

It seems that getting into the thick of things with drivers and hounds is best way to create decent opportunities for Shield Country deer in Ontario.
 
I hunted deer over hounds for years. Never saw a "panicked, frightened" deer EVER. I only saw deer loping ahead of dogs they know they can easily out run. Lot's of times I shot deer that stopped and looked back wondering where the dogs were. I bet that Canada in the Rough would run a cougar hunt over dogs without a problem. I don't get it. I am a dogman and love to hunt all game with dogs. I wonder if it would be easier to justify hunting a predator that attacks humans on occasion to the unknowing public? Oh well I agree that we hunters have to stick together on all legal and ethical hunting techniques whether you hunt that way or not. I have noticed on youtube that an anti group in the states has singled out bow hunters to attack. Very effective method to split the ranks of hunters.

just my two cents,

Darryl
 
senior said:
Not politically correct :rolleyes:

I can almost hear PETA now if they saw a show like that.

88man: You need to take some lessons from my son.:) He's our main dog man & gets as many or more deer than anybody! You just have to take note where the dog jumps the deer & find a view of that spot with a seat. Works good with Beagles, not so sure with hounds, might be hard to keep close enough to guess where they jump the deer!
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I agree. My grandfather was always our dogger, hes shot more deer at our camp then anyone else. We dont use dogs anymore, just people "dogging" (which is usually me!)
 
senior said:
Not politically correct :rolleyes:

I can almost hear PETA now if they saw a show like that.

88man: You need to take some lessons from my son.:) He's our main dog man & gets as many or more deer than anybody! You just have to take note where the dog jumps the deer & find a view of that spot with a seat. Works good with Beagles, not so sure with hounds, might be hard to keep close enough to guess where they jump the deer!
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I will say I've taken my share of deer while dogging for sure over the yrs !.Using the big hounds they are usually far enough ahead of me when they make a start others guys get the shootin'.Most of the time the deer will circel around to see what's going on and that's when the good shots happen.We are all getting a little older ( and slower ) so I've now got some beagles in my kenal and they work great.The deer just trot along just infront and out of site for the beagles and have time to think and smell around them while the big hounds ( walkers ) will push them pretty fast but at the same time the deer don't have time to think and make mistakes.It works both ways and I enjoy both types of hounds.The little guys are fun to watch trying to get over,around and through things in the bush while the big guys just leap over no probs.It can sound like 2 chases if your running big and little dogs at the same time,the little guys will be a long way behind still barking and ofter get on another deer that has just gotten out of the way of the main chase,had this happen many times.I've owned and hunted with hounds for over 20yrs and loved every minute of it.Before I got into hounds I was still-tree stand hunting and enjoyed it but it's a whole dif ball game with hounds when the quiet bush come alive with the sounds of hounds baying :D.

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Dogs would br great to get them pushed out quick, they fear them like coyotes. Don`t forget about the Regs:

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_97f41_e.htm

Hunting with dogs

25. (1) A person shall not use or be accompanied by a dog while hunting white-tailed deer, moose, caribou, elk or black bear, except under the authority of a licence issued in respect of that dog.

Do these licences exist....:confused:
 
madtrapper143 said:
I hunted deer over hounds for years. Never saw a "panicked, frightened" deer EVER. I only saw deer loping ahead of dogs they know they can easily out run.
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Again, that is my "ignorance" about hounds and deer. I can see beagles being more of a PITA for a deer than a real concern, especially in areas where people regularly run beagles for rabbits and such. There is a difference in terrain as well; in the West many dogs can keep up with deer and can often run them to exhaustion due to the relatively open forests, where as in heavy brush and timber with lots of windfall, etc. deer can easily outrun dogs if they put their mind to it.

Having said that, fast hounds like walkers would be able to push deer pretty fast in good conditions, and as another poster stated they can move deer fast enough to prevent them from thinking too much. That may not be "panicked", but it is definitely "stressed".

On a side note, an observation I have made re: deer and dogs is that where there are stray dogs you will not find deer, period. My work takes me to many reserves throughout AB, and where there is no dog control program you will almost never see deer (or tracks) or elk, or moose. Where dogs are kept under control there is a lot more deer activity. Deer do not like dogs.

ETA: an earlier poster stated they train their deer hounds year round. How does one do this considering the regs and consequences?

"Power of conservation officer

(4) A conservation officer may kill a dog without incurring any liability if,

(a) the dog is running at large in an area prescribed for the purpose of subsection (2) during the open season for white-tailed deer, moose, elk or black bear; or

(b) the dog is chasing white-tailed deer, moose, elk or black bear during the closed season for that species in an area usually inhabited by that species. 1997, c. 41, s. 25.

Dog training during closed season

26. A person shall not use a dog to chase game mammals or game birds during the closed season for the purpose of teaching the dog hunting skills or testing the dog’s hunting skills unless the person has the authorization of the Minister. 1997, c. 41, s. 26."
 
Each and every hound has to have it's own license !.Cost is $10 each so I"m running a $100 bill that camp fees pay for.Hounds aren't cheap by anymeans with the cost of food,licenses,vet bills for needles,etc. and then you have your own lic's to buy as well !!!.To have hounds you must have lots of love,heart and desire to keep and raise them all yr long !
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Pudelpointer said:
Again, that is my "ignorance" about hounds and deer. I can see beagles being more of a PITA for a deer than a real concern, especially in areas where people regularly run beagles for rabbits and such. There is a difference in terrain as well; in the West many dogs can keep up with deer and can often run them to exhaustion due to the relatively open forests, where as in heavy brush and timber with lots of windfall, etc. deer can easily outrun dogs if they put their mind to it.

Having said that, fast hounds like walkers would be able to push deer pretty fast in good conditions, and as another poster stated they can move deer fast enough to prevent them from thinking too much. That may not be "panicked", but it is definitely "stressed".

On a side note, an observation I have made re: deer and dogs is that where there are stray dogs you will not find deer, period. My work takes me to many reserves throughout AB, and where there is no dog control program you will almost never see deer (or tracks) or elk, or moose. Where dogs are kept under control there is a lot more deer activity. Deer do not like dogs.

ETA: an earlier poster stated they train their deer hounds year round. How does one do this considering the regs and consequences?

"Power of conservation officer

(4) A conservation officer may kill a dog without incurring any liability if,

(a) the dog is running at large in an area prescribed for the purpose of subsection (2) during the open season for white-tailed deer, moose, elk or black bear; or

(b) the dog is chasing white-tailed deer, moose, elk or black bear during the closed season for that species in an area usually inhabited by that species. 1997, c. 41, s. 25.

Dog training during closed season

26. A person shall not use a dog to chase game mammals or game birds during the closed season for the purpose of teaching the dog hunting skills or testing the dog’s hunting skills unless the person has the authorization of the Minister. 1997, c. 41, s. 26."
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During the summer months you can get a lic free from the MNR to run dogs from sun up to sun down on coyote's,fox.I also have a 65 acre pen that's lic'd with the MNR that we keep fox in and run the hounds all yr round.We trap or buy live fox,vaxinate them and feed them in the 65 acre pen.
Hope this clears things up that were not just letting our hounds run loose all yr round !
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Trotter said:
Dogs would br great to get them pushed out quick, they fear them like coyotes. Don`t forget about the Regs:

http://www.e-laws.gov.on.ca/html/statutes/english/elaws_statutes_97f41_e.htm

Hunting with dogs

25. (1) A person shall not use or be accompanied by a dog while hunting white-tailed deer, moose, caribou, elk or black bear, except under the authority of a licence issued in respect of that dog.

Do these licences exist....:confused:
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They do, I found that our beagles had a tough time with the written part of it though, but it's understandable, they have such a short attention span.
 
Reason you don't

as a camera man for my own show and as well as free lancing for others like Canada in the Rough , I'm sure I can answer this on a proper level.

To film this sort of hunt is something that would be hard to have a story unfold and get the proper footage to present it in a show. It would take a lot of time and you would need a camera man with every shooter just to get a kill and then when a deer is running and could jump out and run past a man, the footage would almost be a Nil as there is no way you could time this nor hit a standby buttenj to get tape rolling.

The show would have to be put together with so many fill ins that most or the other part of hunters would tear it up.

It would be neet to try, but the cha nces of getting the right footage would be 1 -100000.

This is why most shows seem to advoid this sort of thing it is not because of deer hunters and dogs believe me.....
 
It's interesting to hear other's perspective on this. We hunted a ton of black bear with dogs growing up and nothing made me feel as 'connected' as running through the forest after hounds hot on a bear track! I've never done deer, but would be happy to try.

Maybe its that timeless man and his dog thing?
 
we have used dogs where we hunt for over fifty years. Used to be mostly Walker, but have used them all. At one time we would run four or five dogs and maybe a few pups. Now I have two Beagle/Walker crosses. In England they call them Harriers. Another fellow has a beagle and another a big Black and Tan. We would not see a deer most days if we didn't have the dogs. In fact for a few years some of the guys died and we all built tree stands and still hunted. The deer know where you are and rarely seen any. The cover is thick with lots of water so hunting with the dogs is hit and miss as well as they can go anywhere's. The bucks will generally slip the dogs and slip out. We had one old fellow who shot a lot of bucks watching the back door. With the dogs at least you know when they are on a deer and might possibly get a shot. Is different hunting than where it is open type country. I am the dog man as well. Have shot a few and seen quite a few. Love watching and listening for the dogs.
 
They did a show on it in the southern United States once. It was a cluster f**k! All you saw was a bunch of guys walking around the bush and down cuts in the forrest with the dogs barking in the background. You never actually saw the kill and at one point the hunters couldn't find the dogs. It was a terrible show. Wish I could remember the name of the series.
 
Pudelpointer said:
On a side note, an observation I have made re: deer and dogs is that where there are stray dogs you will not find deer, period. My work takes me to many reserves throughout AB, and where there is no dog control program you will almost never see deer (or tracks) or elk, or moose. Where dogs are kept under control there is a lot more deer activity. Deer do not like dogs.
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I would tend to disagree with that as a general statement. Cow moose or Does with new fawns or about to drop will not hang around where there's stray dogs but right here where I live we have a number strays that are constantly on the prowl. I have personally seen one of them at least chasing deer during the summer & warned the owner I would shoot it if it persisted, but I can't bring myself to do it :redface: There is still lots of deer right here & living in a small cedar hole less than 500 yds from the dogs home! At one time I had a hunting beagle that I had to tie outside when I went to work (for chewing reasons:rolleyes:) one day I pulled into the yard & watched a Doe standing 10' from the end of the dogs chain as it barked furiously! Deer can judge & adapt to suroundings. They're afraid of cars if one stops, but will often grazing right close to the side of a busy road.
 
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when i lived in ontario we used to hunt deer with hounds. Nothing takes the chill out of you when your sittin in the cold and hear the hounds tonguing. Lots of excitement. Also hunting cottontails ahead of a beagle with a .22lr semi is a blast. Good times:D
 
1 ozzy said:
when i lived in ontario we used to hunt deer with hounds. Nothing takes the chill out of you when your sittin in the cold and hear the hounds tonguing. Lots of excitement. Also hunting cottontails ahead of a beagle with a .22lr semi is a blast. Good times:D
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I never tried either but Snowshoe Hare with a 20G and beagles is a blast!
 
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